JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[AANOTOK]

That's alright. The TWU negotiators have financial experts and actuaries that will inform them if the plan is a good value to try and negotiate with the company to offer to us. Thankfully from what I know at least for the Fleet side they're keeping an open mind towards listening and understanding what that value is and they will be the ones to present it to us the members when they go back to their respective Stations.

They're all quite aware of the "video laundry man" and aren't paying any attention to him outside of (honestly) lots of laughter. (Seriously)

And 700 saying he will report Tim to the SEC is causing "lots of laughter" as well. Same guy that told me to enjoy the "cornfields" for threatening him. I held that laughter in.

 

[700UW]

So if your married go home and tell your wife a bagroom fleet service from US is going to handle your retirement now.

Call the SEC and ask them about giving financial advice and not being licensed.

 

[WeAAsles]

Pretty disrespectful to belittle representatives and their positions as "special favors."
 
As a matter of fact, a couple of those you described received rave reviews from yourself no too long ago.
 
You also had a position given to you by the administration you ran with, I don't suppose you'll categorize that as a "special favor."

Have no issue with anyone as an individual or the skills they may bring to the table. Just have an issue with too many layers in any organization that I pay money into. How many individuals do you actually need to handle grievances? How many are there? That issue is covered in multiple layers now.

Political Coordinator on the other hand is now covered by no one.

It's a little different although I'm sure you disagree.

 

[AANOTOK]

Yep the TWU represented folks are going to believe a fleet service clerk giving pension advice (practicing without a license) the IAMNPF and the SEC will have a field day with you.

Not only is insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, it's also some of the stuff that comes out of your mouth. I told a couple of guys at work that I thought the IAMNPF was a bad deal for someone my age and how close I was to retirement. So now the SEC wants to talk to me and I may be crushing rocks for a few years...lol

 

[Worldport]

Worldport  most if not all of the East side has BCBS  at least thats what we believe since like 2 or 3 yrs ago  
 
AANOTOK   my injury is not work related     In MD you as an employee working in MD for the airline doesnt have to go to company doctor though our mgmt team will tell you otherwise   One of our guy who hurt his shoulder in the MD 80 bin was told to see company doc   he then followed them and it never got better   His family doc told him under MD law he can go to his primary   He told me that himself.  Right now we have at least 3 or 4 peeps including myself out 
 
Worldport I hope youre wrong too about us losing our health care

You sure? I'm at LGA we have united healthcare

 

[Worldport]

Good I'll make sure the SEC gets it since your not a a licensed actuary or financial advisor.

Do you offer ice sculptures?

 

[Worldport]

So if your married go home and tell your wife a bagroom fleet service from US is going to handle your retirement now.

Call the SEC and ask them about giving financial advice and not being licensed.

700 I don't think Tim is going to do or say anymore than you do. You have your opinion on the plan he has his, no big deal.You got to focus more on keeping the flies away from your shrimp salad

 

[NYer]

Have no issue with anyone as an individual or the skills they may bring to the table. Just have an issue with too many layers in any organization that I pay money into. How many individuals do you actually need to handle grievances? How many are there? That issue is covered in multiple layers now.

Political Coordinator on the other hand is now covered by no one.

It's a little different although I'm sure you disagree.

 
Nice try, but your statement was a direct jab at those people in positions of representation and yes, you did create an issue as to their lack of "skills they may bring to the table."
 
You clearly stated they have those positions as a repayment of friends or favors.
 
"At least where I work jobs like Grievance Comittee, Chairman and Section Chairman are only titles that are given as special favors for friends so they can have some status and make a couple of extra bucks paid for by me."

 

[Worldport]

Just wanted to do a quick update on the IAMPF video. I'll be putting out the video shortly but it is primarily directed at our TWU brothers and sisters and is based on the fact that the Association, both the TWU and IAM, together, proposed to the company to adopt Legacy US IAM Pension Plan and increase for all classifications. Therefore, it is imperative that the TWU members be kept informed and out of the dark as a retirement plan is one of the most important things in a contract.

Don't forget to jackhammer the Weez

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yep the TWU represented folks are going to believe a fleet service clerk giving pension advice (practicing without a license) the IAMNPF and the SEC will have a field day with you.

I'm not asking anyone to believe me. I'm simply going to be providing documents and facts that I don't believe the Association will provide them. Dunno, so I guess that will mean that they have to believe the documents or believe in the blue fairy at the bottom of the garden.

I will encourage them to do their own research as well. Many at ORD TWU have no idea that the Association already proposed adopting the IAMPF for ALL. I believe in informed consent and we both know that your peeps will only claim "The IAMPF is wonderful", "It's in the green!!". My job is to tell them the rest of the story and how it gets in the green, twice now from dumping future liabilities by changing the plan documents in the middle of the night off the backs of workers, and that it is dropping again consistently and must make other actions if it doesn't increase participation. With over 200,000 participants but less than 100,000 contributing with more retiring, something will have to give again.

 

[bob@las-AA]

I'm not asking anyone to believe me. I'm simply going to be providing documents and facts that I don't believe the Association will provide them. Dunno, so I guess that will mean that they have to believe the documents or believe in the blue fairy at the bottom of the garden.I will encourage them to do their own research as well. Many at ORD TWU have no idea that the Association already proposed adopting the IAMPF for ALL. I believe in informed consent and we both know that your peeps will only claim "The IAMPF is wonderful", "It's in the green!!". My job is to tell them the rest of the story and how it gets in the green, twice now from dumping future liabilities by changing the plan documents in the middle of the night off the backs of workers, and that it is dropping again consistently and must make other actions if it doesn't increase participation. With over 200,000 participants but less than 100,000 contributing with more retiring, something will have to give again.

What more can you contribute to the knowledge that the IAMPF is not a good deal?

 

[WeAAsles]

Nice try, but your statement was a direct jab at those people in positions of representation and yes, you did create an issue as to their lack of "skills they may bring to the table."
 
You clearly stated they have those positions as a repayment of friends or favors.
 
"At least where I work jobs like Grievance Comittee, Chairman and Section Chairman are only titles that are given as special favors for friends so they can have some status and make a couple of extra bucks paid for by me."

You're confused at the idea of qualifications and whether or not there are too many individuals overfilling a particular need. From my vantage point in my Station I don't see that need as I don't think my local is currently overburdened? Management doesn't appear to be cracking down on many issues and I've even asked the most used Stewards how's it going and they said it's been quiet.

Same for the company I think Level 4 is a useless and wasteful position.

 

[robbedagain]

Worldport:   I thought a few yrs ago BCBS went to most of the system  I cld be wrong though   We here have BCBS of Texas   I dont know if it depends on the city or station or how its done but every yr at open enrollment we are given only choice of BCBS of Texas    cld this be the way the company does away with LUS health and switch to the BCBS of Texas?

 

[Worldport]

Worldport:   I thought a few yrs ago BCBS went to most of the system  I cld be wrong though   We here have BCBS of Texas   I dont know if it depends on the city or station or how its done but every yr at open enrollment we are given only choice of BCBS of Texas    cld this be the way the company does away with LUS health and switch to the BCBS of Texas?

Tim what provider do you have in ORD?

 

[NYer]

You're confused at the idea of qualifications and whether or not there are too many individuals overfilling a particular need. From my vantage point in my Station I don't see that need as I don't think my local is currently overburdened? Management doesn't appear to be cracking down on many issues and I've even asked the most used Stewards how's it going and they said it's been quiet.

Same for the company I think Level 4 is a useless and wasteful position.

 
No, no. I understand the statement made. It said there were positions given as favors to friends. It didn't state, as you've tried to correct now, that there are too many people working as representatives.
 
As far as things being quiet, that seems like a direct result of the work those very same representatives you mislabeled. You should thank them rather than disparage their work. They're there for you and your own admission, things are quiet.