JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Worldport]

Deleted. (By advice)

You see, even you have an adviser.

 

[WeAAsles]

You see, even you have an adviser.

Plenty of advisors. But no one who writes for me.

 

[Worldport]

Plenty of advisors. But no one who writes for me.

Are you happy with the update/progress. Saw jetnet today doesn't sound like they want catering even perhaps looking at bringing work back as an option.doubt it but looking at it

 

[WeAAsles]

Are you happy with the update/progress. Saw jetnet today doesn't sound like they want catering even perhaps looking at bringing work back as an option.doubt it but looking at it

Of course I'm not happy. Why would I be. But it's just how it works and I expected when they got to the harder articles it would begin to stall. But there are multiple proposals going back and forth so that still is progress and eventually they will reach agreement on everything.

 

[ograc]

Let's be clear and you can quote me on this. "They're not going to walk away"

Section 6 would only have teeth if the market really thought we would ever be allowed to strike. Yes labor unrest does cause a "small" measure of difficulty but the best avenue for negotiators and members is flexibility. If your company is doing financially lousy you are not going to make any meaningful gains. Your better off gaining small bites and waiting for the storm to hopefully pass. Yes I'm saying you have to tighten your own belt. Life stinks that way sometimes. You ask for contract extensions with small increases.

When the company is making record profits is where maybe you can gain some public support that they aren't sharing that wealth. When they're doing lousy and you put on the pressure you just paint yourself into that greedy Union people mindset from the public. And you and I know that's not BS.

One more time. This will absolutely NOT drag out all the way to September of 2018 which is 2 years and 4 months from now, or 28 more months.

Let's get out of this doom and gloom mindset. PLEASE.

 
I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, historically, most strikes occur when the company is doing well financially. So much for public support. They tend to get their greedy little hands on these profits and resist sharing. Don't mean to come across as doom and gloom but members must know the environment and the labor history of both LUS and AA. After that everyone can form their own expectations on how well and how FAST these negotiations will go. There are many BIG issues that will be put on the table. We shall see. 
 

 

[700UW]

We went on strike in 92 at US and they were bleeding money and we all took concessions.

Same for AMFA at NW.

 

[ograc]

We went on strike in 92 at US and they were bleeding money and we all took concessions.

Same for AMFA at NW.

Historically meaning outside of the airline industry. The history of labor represented contract negotiations with companies in this country. Not just this industry. It's a history of greed and the lack to reinvest.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Nope. Even Timmy was SHOCKED by how good that TA of his was. Didn't read a single complaint then.

Oh but now his negotiators are subpar?

PFFT.

i voted no due to the cross utilization that I felt would cause the company to gain the synergies needed, prior to a jcba. The company can hardball the TWU if it chooses now. 
 
But this is the best contract that I have worked under.
 
That said, me and you just disagree. I prefer a professional negotiation firm, you dont.
 
It isnt the first time we disagreed. I fully support the miami police union's boycott of Beyonce' concert due to her hate against police and im glad to stand behind the Pittsburgh police union in their boycott of hate groups like Beyonce. I imagine you disagree but that doesnt make you anti union i guess.

 

[WeAAsles]

i voted no due to the cross utilization that I felt would cause the company to gain the synergies needed, prior to a jcba. The company can hardball the TWU if it chooses now. 
 
But this is the best contract that I have worked under.
 
That said, me and you just disagree. I prefer a professional negotiation firm, you dont.
 
It isnt the first time we disagreed. I fully support the miami police union's boycott of Beyonce' concert due to her hate against police and im glad to stand behind the Pittsburgh police union in their boycott of hate groups like Beyonce. I imagine you disagree but that doesnt make you anti union i guess.

If you did vote no (I don't believe you) then you're probably one of those guys that votes no to everything.

Those people make the absolute worst "negotiators"

Operative terminology to "Negotiate"

"Negotiation is a dialogue between two or more people or parties intended to reach a beneficial outcome.

This beneficial outcome can be for all of the parties involved, or just for one or some of them, in situations in which a good outcome for one/some, excludes the possibility of a desired result for the other/others.

It is aimed to resolve points of difference, to gain advantage for an individual or collective, or to craft outcomes to satisfy various interests. It is often conducted by putting forward a position and making small concessions to achieve an agreement. The degree to which the negotiating parties trust each other to implement the negotiated solution is a major factor in determining whether negotiations are successful. Negotiation is not a zero-sum game; if there is no compromise, the negotiations have failed. When negotiations are at an impasse it is essential that both the parties acknowledge the difficulties, and agree to work towards a solution at a later date."

 

[lax]

No I still believe that you're a High School dropout. Since you assume that all of our negotiators must be and they're in there and not you, you must be even dumber than they are.
Just common sense to me.

You also believe in a group that's done nothing but lie to your face and steal your money every chance they get. And I don't ever recall wanting to be "in there." But if I was "in there" I'd be smart enough to get guys "in there" that could get the job done. And your version of common sense is shared by a party of one, maybe two yet you have the nerve to call someone else dumb. Pretty comical to say the least!

 

[WeAAsles]

You also believe in a group that's done nothing but lie to your face and steal your money every chance they get. And I don't ever recall wanting to be "in there." But if I was "in there" I'd be smart enough to get guys "in there" that could get the job done. And your version of common sense is shared by a party of one, maybe two yet you have the nerve to call someone else dumb. Pretty comical to say the least!

You must be talking about the company I presume? They're the only ones in my mind that I can ever quantify as having stolen from me.

And no I am not a party of one since as far as I can recall I don't know any Union that does it the way you seem to want it to be done? Unless perhaps AMFA at NWA? They did have a very cozy relationship with Ford Harrison I believe?

And again the point is moot since it is NOT going to happen period, end of story. Dragged under the wheels and pulverized to death already.

 

[700UW]

Historically meaning outside of the airline industry. The history of labor represented contract negotiations with companies in this country. Not just this industry. It's a history of greed and the lack to reinvest.

You can compare NLRA against RLA, as the NLRA lets them strike as soon as the contract expires, unlike the RLA.

 

[Worldport]

Of course I'm not happy. Why would I be. But it's just how it works and I expected when they got to the harder articles it would begin to stall. But there are multiple proposals going back and forth so that still is progress and eventually they will reach agreement on everything.

Weez you expected to have a contract by early May

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez you expected to have a contract by early May[/quote

I said "I would LIKE to have one by my Birthday"

My Birthday was May 4. But I did get some other nice gifts anyway.

 

[Worldport]

Weez you expected to have a contract by early May[/quote

I said "I would LIKE to have one by my Birthday"

My Birthday was May 4. But I did get some other nice gifts anyway.

It's going to be up to the negotiators not to bring back anything questionable. My feeling is (And of course you'll disagree)almost anything they agree too with $30 attached to it will pass. Maybe not with the 5 people on this site make that 4  700 doesn't get a vote. and I know you said the company reads this