JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Worldport]

It's going to be up to the negotiators not to bring back anything questionable. My feeling is (And of course you'll disagree)almost anything they agree too with $30 attached to it will pass. Maybe not with the 5 people on this site make that 4  700 doesn't get a vote. and I know you said the company reads this

Make that 3 Bob will vote for the money. He was right all the time. Bob knows human nature he doesn't know what a ground wire is for but he knows people

 

[ograc]

You can compare NLRA against RLA, as the NLRA lets them strike as soon as the contract expires, unlike the RLA.

 
The point is companies, regardless of which Federal Act they negotiate under, have the common fault. Greed and selfishness. It's nothing new. Given that... my point is we have reason to be cautious about how JCBA negotiations will go. With so many BIG issues to be resolved in our JCBA negotiations it's premature to predict where we will be a few months from now. That will be determined, by the posture of the company going forward, as the bigger $$$ issues and Articles are proposed and countered by both parties. I say that with the belief the NC will continue to resist any concessionary proposals passed by the company.
 

 

[bob@las-AA]

Make that 3 Bob will vote for the money. He was right all the time. Bob knows human nature he doesn't know what a ground wire is for but he knows people

OK smarty pants, on a three phase 480 volt main service enterance with a 400 amp braker, how many times can the ground be down sized connecting to the main bonding jumper? And what size is required for the feeders?

I feel like a little trivia today.

 

[WeAAsles]

OK smarty pants, on a three phase 480 volt main service enterance with a 400 amp braker, how many times can the ground be down sized connecting to the main bonding jumper? And what size is required for the feeders?
I feel like a little trivia today.

You get em Bob. About time. Make sure it's nothing he can Google.

 

[Talos]

Must be an ugly experience to negotiate with people who don't want to negotiate. These updates sound as if the nc might as well be talking to the wall, and at some point it gets insulting in a big way. May be time to bring up other issues instead of being stalled on one or two. Kirby was on the ramp today at DFW. He was not warmly greeted, but nobody was rude either from what I was told. These guys are so out of touch with employee morale it's like they're from another planet.

 

[bob@las-AA]

You get em Bob. About time. Make sure it's nothing he can Google.

If he's ambitious enough he could find out. But that's ok.

 

[charlie Brown]

Must be an ugly experience to negotiate with people who don't want to negotiate. These updates sound as if the nc might as well be talking to the wall, and at some point it gets insulting in a big way. May be time to bring up other issues instead of being stalled on one or two. Kirby was on the ramp today at DFW. He was not warmly greeted, but nobody was rude either from what I was told. These guys are so out of touch with employee morale it's like they're from another planet.

I can assure you we have many issues on the table. Not just a couple. And dealing with this management team before in negotiations, I have to say that things are going pretty much like I expected. Weekly updates can be very frustrating. This is one reason the IAM never did weekly briefings in the past. There are many weeks where work gets done, but no new articles t/a ,d . But the association decided to put out weekly briefings. So everyone must take the good with the bad. Which like I said. Is pretty normal with this management team. I feel very confident that we will get there. And we will get a very good contract.

 

[robbedagain]

im not one bit shocked at the stale mate those sorry arse loser mgmt team is    it all goes to show they have 0, nil, nada, zilch respect to IAM/TWU represents folks    They first want to get joint contracts   which they succeeded with several groups  but not with us    Then they hire a union busting firm   amazing    simply amazing how those hypocrites in mgmt truly are    a real piece of work    Time to work by the rule book  and if the plane goes out late  so be it

 

[WeAAsles]

I can assure you we have many issues on the table. Not just a couple. And dealing with this management team before in negotiations, I have to say that things are going pretty much like I expected. Weekly updates can be very frustrating. This is one reason the IAM never did weekly briefings in the past. There are many weeks where work gets done, but no new articles t/a ,d . But the association decided to put out weekly briefings. So everyone must take the good with the bad. Which like I said. Is pretty normal with this management team. I feel very confident that we will get there. And we will get a very good contract.

The weekly briefings even if occasionally frustrating have been a tremendous assist in keeping people calmer believe it or not. Being totally in the dark leads to wandering minds and those thoughts aren't usually on the positive side.

Thanks again CB. Enjoy your weekend and unwind a little.

 

[charlie Brown]

The weekly briefings even if occasionally frustrating have been a tremendous assist in keeping people calmer believe it or not. Being totally in the dark leads to wandering minds and those thoughts aren't usually on the positive side.
Thanks again CB. Enjoy your weekend and unwind a little.

Updates or not that many updates?
It's a lose lose either way we go. We realize that. You piss people off if you don't give them. But you also piss people off when you give them because they feel nothing is getting done. They aren't educated on how negotiations go. A lot of negotiations is posturing. This goes on a lot. It's a normal part of the process. So weekly briefings while some may like it. It will also frustrate those that aren't used to weeks of not getting much done.

 

[lineguy43]

We went on strike in 92 at US and they were bleeding money and we all took concessions.
Same for AMFA at NW.[/quote

We went on strike in 92 at US and they were bleeding money and we all took concessions.
Same for AMFA at NW.

In 92 at NW we took concessions too but AMFA was not on the property then we were IAM. But don't let the facts get in your way when it comes to AMFA.

 

[WeAAsles]

Updates or not that many updates?
It's a lose lose either way we go. We realize that. You piss people off if you don't give them. But you also piss people off when you give them because they feel nothing is getting done. They aren't educated on how negotiations go. A lot of negotiations is posturing. This goes on a lot. It's a normal part of the process. So weekly briefings while some may like it. It will also frustrate those that aren't used to weeks of not getting much done.

That's a good point that they don't really understand how negotiations work. Maybe if you have a wee bit of time you could explain it here a little more in depth?

I've just had a two day barnstorm with some of the posters on here who think that we should have professional negotiators interact directly with the company instead of you guys. I've tried to explain why I believe it's not a very wise idea but I've met a fair amount of resistance.

Wanna take a crack at it?

 

[Talos]

I can assure you we have many issues on the table. Not just a couple. And dealing with this management team before in negotiations, I have to say that things are going pretty much like I expected. Weekly updates can be very frustrating. This is one reason the IAM never did weekly briefings in the past. There are many weeks where work gets done, but no new articles t/a ,d . But the association decided to put out weekly briefings. So everyone must take the good with the bad. Which like I said. Is pretty normal with this management team. I feel very confident that we will get there. And we will get a very good contract.

I prefer getting the updates, even with not a lot getting done. The thing that bothers most is the fact that the other large airlines went to their people and gave them nice pay raises along with other enhancements such as United staffing all those stations when they could have cut them instead. That's what's frustrating. It makes you feel mgmt is going to  nickel and dime you after all these years of giving to the company. 

 

[charlie Brown]

That's a good point that they don't really understand how negotiations work. Maybe if you have a wee bit of time you could explain it here a little more in depth?
I've just had a two day barnstorm with some of the posters on here who think that we should have professional negotiators interact directly with the company instead of you guys. I've tried to explain why I believe it's not a very wise idea but I've met a fair amount of resistance.
Wanna take a crack at it?

I'm not going to get in back and forth discussions with posters. I'll leave that up to all of you that have time to be on here every day. I just come on when I get some time on the weekends to answer as many questions or give as much info as I can. As far as our committee. And how I feel about professional negotiators. People will always feel that way. I personally come from the opinion that a guy that has worked the job for 30 + years is far more knowledgable about what that work group needs and demands instead of someone on the outside. And our lead negotiator Tom Regen IMO is as good as they come. That's including anyone the company puts up against him. I wish people had the chance to hear and see this guy in action. And I say that as a person that wasn't the biggest Tom Regen fan years ago before I seen him at work. And while it took the TWU guys awhile to get to know him. I'm pretty sure they all feel the same way about him now.

 

[charlie Brown]

I prefer getting the updates, even with not a lot getting done. The thing that bothers most is the fact that the other large airlines went to their people and gave them nice pay raises along with other enhancements such as United staffing all those stations when they could have cut them instead. That's what's frustrating. It makes you feel mgmt is going to  nickel and dime you after all these years of giving to the company.

Look, this company will always make you scratch and claw for everything. Yes the name is still AA, but not the management. They will always make you happy as cheap as they can. That's their way of doing business. Get them to sign as cheap as possible. Don't give them anything just to show the members you care. Just giving something for a good gesture won't happen.