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Kev3188 said:
The 30 year guy knowing what his group wants and knowing how best to get it are two different things...

I'm sure that they have received no "intensive" training on how best to accomplish that. There is no magic rabbit in a hat to pull off that particular feat you know.

And hopefully we don't have to get back into this back and forth after already spending 2 days dancing around with it? A man who has extensive experience in negotiations with management has already said he doesn't agree with it and also said he wasn't going to jump into the conversation. Can we respect that?
 
I too like the updates put out by the union. But I will also say that some of them seem more like teasers and actually beg more questions.
For example "but is disappointed by the lack of progress, due almost entirely to company management's work-rule proposals that would adversely impact the membership's quality of life". Again, I don't need a lesson on negotiations from the "Ive been there done it guys", but a little more clarity would be great and lead to less confusion. I honestly don't feel a little more transparency will cause the negotiations  to come to a screeching halt. Maybe if the members knew EXACTLY what the company wanted and where they have changed their tune from what they led the Association and it's members to believe early on might actually be good on two fronts. It might show the members $30 dollars does not cover what AA wants and rallies them around our negotiators, and secondly, it lets the company know we are not going to take ANY concessions, no matter how many winks and smiles Robert, Scott and Doug exhibit at those propaganda meetings known as Town Halls.
 
But again, I do not want a T/A with any job loses. I'm not saying a person losing his/her job, I'm saying any work we currently do shall not be outsourced, PERIOD!
 
700UW said:
Tom was one of my mentors, he is a great guy and a good friend.
 
Very knowledgeable and well educated, people have no idea how skilled he is, I am glad to call him a friend.
I guess you out sick those days "cough" was taught"!
 
bob@las-AA said:
I guess you out sick those days "cough" was taught"!
Bob can we stay on topic this weekend? Charlie Brown who is a negotiator for Fleet may be coming on again later tonight?

Do you have any questions you'd like to ask that he might be able to answer?
 
Talos said:
Nice to know the lead negotiator is so well thought of. Thanks for enlightening me. I appreciate that the job the NC does is not fun and is very tedious work. Thanks for your posts also as most guys, myself included don't have a clue about going through the process of negotiating. Especially with corporate greed on the other side of the table.
Thanks, and like Ograc stated earlier. I wish everyone could experience the negotiations process just one time. Then you could see what a tedious process it is. We have a good team. We will get it done.
 
Kev3188 said:
The 30 year guy knowing what his group wants and knowing how best to get it are two different things...
Yes it is two different things. You need to have both. We have some very experienced negotiators in that room. I feel we definitely have both.
 
WeAAsles said:
Bob can we stay on topic this weekend?
 
Yeah Bob, can you refrain from talking about muscle cars, steaks, and washed-up hair bands for a sec so we can discuss contract issues?  Sheesh.
 
ChockJockey said:
Yeah Bob, can you refrain from talking about muscle cars, steaks, and washed-up hair bands for a sec so we can discuss contract issues?  Sheesh.
Touché.
 
Weez agreed, I do recognize the importance of having a good source to draw from, but CB did the company publish a formula for the profit sharing, and yes it may be too early to ask at this time.
 
bob@las-AA said:
Weez agreed, I do recognize the importance of having a good source to draw from, but CB did the company publish a formula for the profit sharing, and yes it may be too early to ask at this time.
That's a great question. And someone on this board has claimed that we have not agreed to accept that yet? If not are we holding back on that to try and solidify that into a CBA?
 
WeAAsles said:
CB I think I can ask this? Has the company negotiators reacted yet to the new agreement over at UAL? What I particularly find interesting is that they will be getting an almost $2.00 per hour contribution to the IAMPF (no half rate for PT) AND a 3% 401k match. I like that deal personally.
Parker "seems" to be dialing back his rhetoric on the 3% above whoever comments that he's made all over the system to get everyone riled up. That 3% is just a shell game anyway since all he's doing is frontending it if he keeps us weak on the backend.
Also they have in their contract a retiree medical bridge where you can use your sick bank between age 60 to 65. 11 hours per month can be used to "basically" purchase retiree medical through the company until that's exhausted. On the AA side too many years now of only 5 days per year has exhausted many of our banks and maybe you can discuss some type of replenishment of that?
The company IMO owes me $6500.00 worth of retiree medical match monies. If we could get a bridge like IAM UAL I personally wouldn't mind MY money being converted back into sick time hours (hopefully at my current rate of pay)
Food for thought.
They definitely know about the UA agreement. However your issues that you ask about haven't came up yet. And the LUS side currently has a access only plan. Granted it needs to be better than what it currently is which is up to 33 hours of sick time a month at 11.26 per hour to go toward medical. So I'm sure this is going to be discussed.
 
bob@las-AA said:
Weez agreed, I do recognize the importance of having a good source to draw from, but CB did the company publish a formula for the profit sharing, and yes it may be too early to ask at this time.
Don't believe there is a formula other than the 5% divided up to the employees. To be honest, I haven't spent much time dwelling on a 5% And I'm sure profit sharing will be discussed. But that's all I can say at this time on that.
 
charlie Brown said:
Don't believe there is a formula other than the 5% divided up to the employees. To be honest, I haven't spent much time dwelling on a 5% And I'm sure profit sharing will be discussed. But that's all I can say at this time on that.
Thank you CB,
If that holds it will be a juicy check for all. I ask only because they could come up with a method that could short us without knowing it.
 
bob@las-AA said:
Thank you CB,
If that holds it will be a juicy check for all. I ask only because they could come up with a method that could short us without knowing it.
Your welcome. If I get additional info on it, I'll let you know.
 
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