JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

update:
Tomorrow will be the 6 month mark of the first talks that they announced in October 15 (it takes 6 weeks to collect your thoughts).
 
It took less than 3 months in 03 to rewrite all 3 union contracts at the same time,(so I guess you weren't around then weas?) no scheduling problems at all back then.
 
Pilots and FA's took 4 months this time, again, not much scheduling problems there either.
 
There should be 7 day a week negotiations, we've earned that much.

You put people in a room 7 days a week for months and you're going to read about a murder/suicide in the Star Telegram. And they'll probably get even less done due to the psychological burnout you'd want to subject them to.

I'm going to assume that you've never even been a Union Steward much less ran for or held any office?

 

[Worldport]

And please explain how the company would have agreed to a quickie contract taking the best of both?
 
Doesnt work that way.

Pretty much what the execs were saying at the town halls. I don't know if you have access to those videos. Don' let the lack of resources get in your way

 

[Worldport]

It's only been 5 months so far since day one of talks. Why are you thinking it will take 18 months if the Agents and Dispatchers took 10 months?

Next run of negotiations is 4 straight weeks BTW. This is being far more expedited then any negotiations I've ever seen in my career.

And the car is running spectacular. Probably going to keep it longer now (by choice)

You need a ride like Bob's to get the chicks

 

[Traymark]

You put people in a room 7 days a week for months and you're going to read about a murder/suicide in the Star Telegram. And they'll probably get even less done due to the psychological burnout you'd want to subject them to.

I'm going to assume that you've never even been a Union Steward much less ran for or held any office?

 
 
 
Excuse me, but I don't have to be a steward or any office holder to know what is happening at the table is BS.
 
You're not good at history are you? There were 7 day negotiations in 2003 until there was a TA, nobody died, but the company got theirs, in a freakin hurry.

 

[Worldport]

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[WeAAsles]

Excuse me, but I don't have to be a steward or any office holder to know what is happening at the table is BS.
 
You're not good at history are you? There were 7 day negotiations in 2003 until there was a TA, nobody died, but the company got theirs, in a freakin hurry.

You know nothing. And the reason you know nothing is because you've never picked up a phone to try and talk to any of those guys in those rooms. And if you did you would probably just berate them anyway instead of trying to learn the process and how it all works.

My guess is your entire interaction in the process is nothing more than complaining on Social Media pages? Or maybe a few complaints at your monthly Union meeting (If you even go)

Or have you ever gone to a Parker roadshows and gave him hell for the delays? I doubt it.

 

[WeAAsles]

What does being a union steward or running for office have to do with negotiations?

It's step one. You go into a hearing with management and it's the first place where you are negotiating against the company. That's where you also learn that not everything is as cut and dry as people would like it to be.

Plus as a Steward or above you have more access to being able to ask questions of your leaders and learn things. Most members never even consider taking that first step unfortunately so they just listen to and believe the ramp rumors over the individuals who actually know the truth.

 

[Traymark]

You know nothing. And the reason you know nothing is because you've never picked up a phone to try and talk to any of those guys in those rooms. And if you did you would probably just berate them anyway instead of trying to learn the process and how it all works.

My guess is your entire interaction in the process is nothing more than complaining on Social Media pages? Or maybe a few complaints at your monthly Union meeting (If you even go)

Or have you ever gone to a Parker roadshows and gave him hell for the delays? I doubt it.

 
 
 
Other than the smattering of posts here, I don't do social media.
 
I have talked to the "people in those rooms", on the phone and in emails, although, lately, they are making themselves extremely rare.
 
And I have called out management about the pace of negotiations, why haven't I seen our union leaders call out management for the pace, in public, for all to see.
 
Edit to add: I know GP has called out Parker, I know of no one else.
 
I know enough to know, we are being played.
 
I noticed you have no comeback on my historical facts on the rewrite of 2003. 
7 day negotiations isn't some "crazy town" thought, its already been done, and  it was wildly successful ,for the company.
History shows us, this can be done as quickly, or, as slowly as the company wants it done.

 

[WeAAsles]

Other than the smattering of posts here, I don't do social media.
 
I have talked to the "people in those rooms", on the phone and in emails, although, lately, they are making themselves extremely rare.
 
And I have called out management about the pace of negotiations, why haven't I seen our union leaders call out management for the pace, in public, for all to see.
 
Edit to add: I know GP has called out Parker, I know of no one else.
 
I know enough to know, we are being played.
 
I noticed you have no comeback on my historical facts on the rewrite of 2003. 
7 day negotiations isn't some "crazy town" thought, its already been done, and  it was wildly successful ,for the company.
History shows us, this can be done as quickly, or, as slowly as the company wants it done.

If they negotiated 7 days a week or not at that time I don't know? Never asked anyone. But you also seem to be forgetting that they were threatening to go Bankrupt. And as I also remember in 05 when Delta, NWA and United actually went in they screwed their workers even harder than we got screwed.

Now talk to the US guys and ask them how bad they got screwed in all of their bankruptcies. Compared to the rest of the industry (excluding SWA) we made out like bandits in comparison.

And I don't give a chit about the company negotiators but I know that our guys need and deserve a break after those 3 (4 next) week stints.

 

[Worldport]

It's step one. You go into a hearing with management and it's the first place where you are negotiating against the company. That's where you also learn that not everything is as cut and dry as people would like it to be.

Plus as a Steward or above you have more access to being able to ask questions of your leaders and learn things. Most members never even consider taking that first step unfortunately so they just listen to and believe the ramp rumors over the individuals who actually know the truth.

What happens if the rumors come from the very  people you speak of. I have found they know no more than the loud mouth in the breakroom. This ready reserve rumor may be just that. In a way Traymark  and Tim are right they could have got this done quicker if they wanted to but there would have been a trade-off. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

And please explain how the company would have agreed to a quickie contract taking the best of both?
 
Doesnt work that way.

to be sure, the best of both would be an absolute disaster since both contracts absolutely blow and are the worst in the industry. It is intellectually insulting when the two unions even mention it and I wish they would stop.
The best of both would give us an absolute disaster with vacations, holidays, pay, shift differ, retirement, sick time, overtime, scope.

Please stop it 700 as I doubt that our negotiation committee is even thinking so low.

As far as a quickie contract, our union did a rapid one several times while in bankruptcy. I think the IAM netted about 3 complete contracts in the space of 18 months to hammer us. So, it goes without saying since the IAM was so friendly, that maybe Parker would return the favor. But please don't bring back a quickie 90 day contract like you dopes did at United. That puke contract is exactly what we would expect with only 90 days of negotiations. no full time protections, no part time caps, ridiculous health care that wasn't bothered with, etc., etc.,

regards,

 

[Worldport]

to be sure, the best of both would be an absolute disaster since both contracts absolutely blow and are the worst in the industry. It is intellectually insulting when the two unions even mention it and I wish they would stop.
The best of both would give us an absolute disaster with vacations, holidays, pay, shift differ, retirement, sick time, overtime, scope.

Please stop it 700 as I doubt that our negotiation committee is even thinking so low.

regards,

Yeah stop it 700

 

[Tim Nelson]

Negotiation update for other American Airline employees:

WeAAsles will be 100% right if what he says comes true, i.e., we stand to get the most since everyone else kept upping the bar. That said, last week the USWA signed a TA with Parker regarding their members at American Airlines in Canada. The raises were reportedly 25%+ over the life of the contract, and a $6,500 signing bonus for those over 17 years.

I hope our NC is monitoring the industry and doesn't come back with some moronic $1,500 signing bonus. And 700, just because someone [instert all of us] want industry leading pay and bonus' because we deserve it, doesn't mean we don't also expect a scope enhancement and paid day off enhancement.

regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

Negotiation update for other American Airline employees:WeAAsles will be 100% right if what he says comes true, i.e., we stand to get the most since everyone else kept upping the bar. That said, last week the USWA signed a TA with Parker regarding their members at American Airlines in Canada. The raises were reportedly 25%+ over the life of the contract, and a $6,500 signing bonus for those over 17 years.I hope our NC is monitoring the industry and doesn't come back with some moronic $1,500 signing bonus. And 700, just because someone [instert all of us] want industry leading pay and bonus' because we deserve it, doesn't mean we don't also expect a scope enhancement and paid day off enhancement.regards,

Is there a link to this contract Tim?

http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/steelworkers-make-big-gains-at-american-airlines-581135041.html

 

[Worldport]

Negotiation update for other American Airline employees:

WeAAsles will be 100% right if what he says comes true, i.e., we stand to get the most since everyone else kept upping the bar. That said, last week the USWA signed a TA with Parker regarding their members at American Airlines in Canada. The raises were reportedly 25%+ over the life of the contract, and a $6,500 signing bonus for those over 17 years.

I hope our NC is monitoring the industry and doesn't come back with some moronic $1,500 signing bonus. And 700, just because someone [instert all of us] want industry leading pay and bonus' because we deserve it, doesn't mean we don't also expect a scope enhancement and paid day off enhancement.

regards,

We already have a contract I doubt will see a signing bonus did passenger service?