JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Worldport]

Tim I made a big mistake a while back. I took to drinking Cafe Bustello as regular coffee because the brick was cheap and I liked the taste. I was then getting severe anxiety and agitation. My cousin was finally the one to tell me "David have you lost your mind? You can't drink Bustello like regular coffee"

Boy was she right and I felt like a nit twit.

I'm drinking Chock O Nuts now and boy do I feel peachy keen.

Until someone disagrees with you. Weez there is someone given you negative marks with each post, I think the same person gives positive remarks if the post disagrees with you or pokes at you. cool

 

[Worldport]

Yes Tim is the reincarnation of William Wallace without the War paint. (Or the height)

Maybe he will wear a kilt his next video

 

[ograc]

Their true intent is to not go above the amount they already know that they're willing to expend. It's really as simple as that. They have a max number in their minds and its up to our guys to try and get as close to it as possible. But they'll never know if they did or not because when it's over the company is not going to say "We would have went 20 Mil more"

So when it's done and we vote on it, if it passes we'll always be left wondering. "Was that the best we could have done?" But if we pass it, we live with it. And it absolutely is not going to be cost neutral.

And I do get the idea of once bitten, twice shy Cargo. But how far you want to go with that is up to you? (And no the new company has not lived up to my expectations yet)

 
They do indeed have a total cost they are willing to expend. It may be much lower than you think or wish. In the meantime... it is up to our NC to meet that number. Cost neutral negotiations. They had the same agenda in bankruptcy talks as well. Meet this $$$ amount of concessions. It's up to the union to get there. The posture has not changed. They have no intention of making things whole for past sacrifice. They will not be sharing the profits equally between work groups and shareholders. In stark contrast to what is said by Senior Officials at Town Hall Meetings.You are right! they have already established this groups' worth. Nothing More!. Better get ready to LOCK and LOAD! Earned; Never Given!
 

 

[Worldport]

 
They do indeed have a total cost they are willing to expend. It may be much lower than you think or wish. In the meantime... it is up to our NC to meet that number. Cost neutral negotiations. They had the same agenda in bankruptcy talks as well. Meet this $$$ amount of concessions. It's up to the union to get there. The posture has not changed. They have no intention of making things whole for past sacrifice. They will not be sharing the profits equally between work groups and shareholders. In stark contrast to what is said by Senior Officials at Town Hall Meetings.You are right! they have already established this groups' worth. Nothing More!. Better get ready to LOCK and LOAD! Earned; Never Given!
 

Orgac I've been here a long time never locked and loaded always bent over and from looking at AA contract they touched their toes more than once

 

[Tim Nelson]

Unions talk out of both sides. They fought in Cali for $15 and are blabbing their mouth begging for $15 wages for all. But they want to be exempt from it, and the Spirit TA shows as well that unions are simply not serious about $15. A good read about this is below.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rexsinquefield/2016/04/25/rampant-hypocrisy-reveals-downside-of-15-minimum-wage/#6108566e2238

 

[WeAAsles]

Until someone disagrees with you. Weez there is someone given you negative marks with each post, I think the same person gives positive remarks if the post disagrees with you or pokes at you. cool

Like Lieutenant Dan with the Allmighty, I've made my peace with it and am doing the backstroke in the Ocean. (Atlantic Ocean)

 

[WeAAsles]

Weaasles will be a celebrity, cool. He's already been on Jetnet and met with acclamation

My personal theme song.

http://youtu.be/43OC_OjtPl4

 

[WeAAsles]

They do indeed have a total cost they are willing to expend. It may be much lower than you think or wish. In the meantime... it is up to our NC to meet that number. Cost neutral negotiations. They had the same agenda in bankruptcy talks as well. Meet this $$$ amount of concessions. It's up to the union to get there. The posture has not changed. They have no intention of making things whole for past sacrifice. They will not be sharing the profits equally between work groups and shareholders. In stark contrast to what is said by Senior Officials at Town Hall Meetings.You are right! they have already established this groups' worth. Nothing More!. Better get ready to LOCK and LOAD! Earned; Never Given!

Cargo I'm sorry but this is some wrist cutting chit you're writing now.

Way too far out there now.

 

[bob@las-AA]

I could care less if they go DOH or DOB personally. I've got plenty of both now.

I took you out of the red, but yep.... your full of it by sure.

 

[WeAAsles]

I took you out of the red, but yep.... your full of it by sure.

I'm really not focused or obsessed with any issue that might come up about seniority. My hire date and occupational are the same date. If something were to be agreed on that jumped a handful of individuals systemwide above me, I wouldn't sweat it for a second.

I have about 900 people below me FT here in MIA.

Do you really think I need to be concerned?

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'm really not focused or obsessed with any issue that might come up about seniority. My hire date and occupational are the same date. If something were to be agreed on that jumped a handful of individuals systemwide above me, I wouldn't sweat it for a second.

I have about 900 people below me FT here in MIA.

Do you really think I need to be concerned?

again, it's not about you when we are talking in collective terms. I have enough seniority where there isn't any reason for me to fuss about losing 5 months, but the truth remains. This agreement will cut the LUS seniority by agreeing to past seniority practices, which is shameful. It hosed the TWU gents/gals, and it will screw most of the Piedmont peeps.

DOH should just be DOH. Period. Incorporating the non union seniority policies that only gave half or zilch credit is shameful.

 

[ograc]

Cargo I'm sorry but this is some wrist cutting chit you're writing now.

Way too far out there now.

 

WeAAsles. I apologize if this reality check bursts your bubble. I write based on past experience. I have witnessed many contract negotiations on the LUS side. The company's agenda has remained consistent. I believe the same could be said of past contract negotiations between the TWU and AA. You are free to wish and hope the company will make everything right. You can dismiss my opinions as "wrist cutting chit". I call it a reality (gut) check Brother! Don't expect much from the company. No need to cut your wrists. But let's know our enemy. They are not your friend WeAAsles. It's strictly business. Do not undermine the challenge the NC is up against. This will not be a walk in the park. You're right. I may be "way too far out there" for you to comprehend. Time will tell.  

 

[Tim Nelson]

WeAAsles. I apologize if this reality check bursts your bubble. I write based on past experience. I have witnessed many contract negotiations on the LUS side. The company's agenda has remained consistent. I believe the same could be said of past contract negotiations between the TWU and AA. You are free to wish and hope the company will make everything right. You can dismiss my opinions as "wrist cutting chit". I call it a reality (gut) check Brother! Don't expect much from the company. No need to cut your wrists. But let's know our enemy. They are not your friend WeAAsles. It's strictly business. Do not undermine the challenge the NC is up against. This will not be a walk in the park. You're right. I may be "way too far out there" for you to comprehend. Time will tell.

+1

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAAsles. I apologize if this reality check bursts your bubble. I write based on past experience. I have witnessed many contract negotiations on the LUS side. The company's agenda has remained consistent. I believe the same could be said of past contract negotiations between the TWU and AA. You are free to wish and hope the company will make everything right. You can dismiss my opinions as "wrist cutting chit". I call it a reality (gut) check Brother! Don't expect much from the company. No need to cut your wrists. But let's know our enemy. They are not your friend WeAAsles. It's strictly business. Do not undermine the challenge the NC is up against. This will not be a walk in the park. You're right. I may be "way too far out there" for you to comprehend. Time will tell.

So let me see if I have you straight here? You're saying if we wind up getting a 28% raise which is roughly around 3% above the top UAL rate, you think the company is going to rip 28% worth of concessions out of our contract after our negotiators have already said they've made improvements on 18 of 20 articles?

So I guess we're going to lose Freight, Catering, Bagrooms, Runners, Encoders, PT Caps and a whole slew of Stations then?

I'm not an expert at Math by any means but your Math is not getting through to me Brother?

And I'm sorry. Really I am. I know that you've been through a lot in your career but I'm just a little taken aback by the notion that we're all just mangy strays waiting for the next guy to come along and kick us again. That's what your posts sound like to me and no way am I one of those mangy strays. (Is that really you're mindset)

Besides didn't you get a deal 2 weeks after that last Judge signed off that the merger was clear to go? How much are you making now compared to then? What did you lose, nothing right?

You write like we're all destined to be lifetime victims. Sorry, not this guy. Speak for yourself if that's the way you really want to feel.

 

[WeAAsles]

+1

BTW You sound like a victim too sometimes Tim.