JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

He was grievance committee chairman at ORD and was removed from office for dual unionism

I know that for US, ORD was a very smal city. How many members did he represent in that role? Did that also include UAL who is substantially larger? To be grievance committee chairman do you also have to be a Steward? As a Steward in ORD if Tim was one would he only represent US people under the IAM structure?

Is grievance committee chairman an appointed position or do the members get to vote on that?

Since AANOTOK asked me if I would let Tim represent me I'd like to know if he would actually be qualified (in my mind) to be able to do so? I honestly would not want someone to represent me that I know is only going to pass the buck on to the red tape procedure of grieving everything he comes into contact with?

 

[700UW]

No he had nothing to do with UA.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim I'm curious. Have you ever actually been a Steward and represented anyone in a hearing or saved an individual's job through the talent of knowing and understanding your contract or your company's rules and regulations?

You've told the board and other social media outlets a million times about the other things that you've done, but I never hear or read you discuss any items related to simple one on one representation? And that also doesn't necessarily mean just filing grievances. Any Steward can file a grievance and pass the buck of a problem up the ladder for someone else to handle. That one seems to be the norm for many Stewards who have no confidence in their own people person, problem solving skills.

Why would I discuss personal grievances I've handled on here? I've taken my turn on just about every position in ORD including shop steward, safety, committee, chairman, and am presently working with EAP to get a EAP rep in ORD. Presently, I'm a committeeman and our committee has been very busy with cases/issues, none of which I plan on talking about on this forum. We ae a small group, no more than 100.

 

[WeAAsles]

No he had nothing to do with UA.

Oh, ok. So what was the max # of people that ORD ever had in Fleet that could have been represented then? Between 30 to 50?

 

[WeAAsles]

Why would I discuss personal grievances I've handled on here? I've taken my turn on just about every position in ORD including shop steward, safety, committee, chairman, and am presently working with EAP to get a EAP rep in ORD. Presently, I'm a committeeman and our committee has been very busy with cases/issues, none of which I plan on talking about on this forum. We ae a small group, no more than 100.

I didn't ask you to discuss any individual cases. Why would I ask that? But you have and do represent a very very small group of people that doesn't really give you much exposure to understanding the nuances of your contract. IMO.

Another question I'm not sure if too many have ever asked of you? When there was a representational election to Unionize your group, how did you vote? Did you vote for or against organizing?

 

[Tim Nelson]

I didn't ask you to discuss any individual cases. Why would I ask that? But you have and do represent a very very small group of people that doesn't really give you much exposure to understanding the nuances of your contract. IMO.

Another question I'm not sure if too many have ever asked of you? When there was a representational election to Unionize your group, how did you vote? Did you vote for or against organizing?

I started the organizing drive when we were non union at Piedmont. We were getting IBT cards signed up since USAir was Teamsters. As with anything I do, I was full blown and campaigned on TV, in front of the airports, and traveled to the USAir stations which had the IBT and being a guest speaker at their rallies telling them how awful it could be if they voted out the IBT in their USAir/PSA election.

Nobody was organizing at Piedmont, prior to me transferring to CLT in 1986. We had 4,000 rampers systemwide, about 1,000 in CLT where I was at. As with most organizing attempts, organizing failed until 1994 when the IAM was voted in. I was pushing the Steelworkers but I was in ORD at the time.

30 years later, it seems as if I'm a bit too left and radical from where these asshat Labor organizations are now. Awful. The IAM has evolved from the Ill Ask Management now to the I Am Management Labor Organization. Just a complete disaster.

 

[WeAAsles]

I started the organizing drive when we were non union at Piedmont. We were getting IBT cards signed up since USAir was Teamsters. As with anything I do, I was full blown and campaigned on TV, in front of the airports, and traveled to the USAir stations which had the IBT and being a guest speaker at their rallies telling them how awful it could be if they voted out the IBT in their USAir/PSA election.Nobody was organizing at Piedmont, prior to me transferring to CLT in 1986. We had 4,000 rampers systemwide, about 1,000 in CLT where I was at. As with most organizing attempts, organizing failed until 1994 when the IAM was voted in. I was pushing the Steelworkers but I was in ORD at the time.30 years later, it seems as if I'm a bit too left and radical from where these asshat Labor organizations are now. Awful. The IAM has evolved from the Ill Ask Management now to the I Am Management Labor Organization. Just a complete disaster.

So I assume if you didn't like the IAM you voted no then? Down to the nitty gritty is that what you're saying?

And I've heard from lots of different people now that every time you meet them for the first time you start verbally pushing your résumé on them. I love it, too funny.

 

[Kev3188]

WeAAsles--

Don't underestimate the work of a steward (or GC) in a small station. The numbers may be lower, but any issue tends to be magnified.

That doesn't even count all the other work that doesn't involve grievance hearings...

 

[Tim Nelson]

So I assume if you didn't like the IAM you voted no then? Down to the nitty gritty is that what you're saying?

And I've heard from lots of different people now that every time you meet them for the first time you start verbally pushing your résumé on them. I love it, too funny.

I voted for USWA. As far as the other stuff, that's absurd. I already had a solid paying union job that I chose to walk away from. Union jobs are about the easiest jobs to keep and all you have to do is just turn the pages as the union boss preaches. I became uncomfortable with my union job after the IAM made our organizing team look like liars so I packed it in. And there were no hard feelings as it was the best move for Delaney and myself. It took him 4 freakn months to fire me.
Since then, lol, no resumes have been sent. I guess I'd have to kiss klemm butt or sito but if that is the case but I charged Klemm and have charged Sito as well, so not sure how that works giving someone a resume that you are challenging through elections or through DOL procedures.

Gotta follow your beliefs as we only live once. I'm very proud of my service to the members as an organizing director that tossed out the dopey IAM organizing policies and installed my winning edge that changed the organizing outcome of the IAM from losing 20 elections in a row, to winning the 3 that I formulated and strategized. Now though, they reverted back to dopey crap. The Horizon, JetBlue and Delta campaigns are once again a disaster. There is no intelligence involved in those 3 campaigns and more importantly no commitment and passion and no generals out in the field. I was never in my office, I was always out there with my organizers and I knew people by name.

 

[700UW]

US was ONLY IBT AT FOUR stations, BOS, BUF, PHL ,and PIT and they made less money than the non-union stations.

 

[Worldport]

weaz should look at it positively and see that the iam wants to get rid of me so bad that they may expesite talks. lol.

Talks only get expedited when we are giving back, man is that quick

 

[Worldport]

US was ONLY IBT AT FOUR stations, BOS, BUF, PHL ,and PIT and they made less money than the non-union stations.

Before that it was something called ALEA

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAAsles--
Don't underestimate the work of a steward (or GC) in a small station. The numbers may be lower, but any issue tends to be magnified.
That doesn't even count all the other work that doesn't involve grievance hearings...

I don't discount anyone who wants to be involved for the "right" reasons Kev but most of those that I've met have been few and far in between. But I also don't think in an extremely small station that a rep is exposed to the type of issues he would be in a much larger station.

Plus in a small city you gain more of a family type of relationship with the management team (if they're willing) that you don't get in Hubs. It's harder and takes longer to gain relationships to solve problems again without all the red tape.

 

[WeAAsles]

I voted for USWA. As far as the other stuff, that's absurd. I already had a solid paying union job that I chose to walk away from. Union jobs are about the easiest jobs to keep and all you have to do is just turn the pages as the union boss preaches. I became uncomfortable with my union job after the IAM made our organizing team look like liars so I packed it in. And there were no hard feelings as it was the best move for Delaney and myself. It took him 4 freakn months to fire me.Since then, lol, no resumes have been sent. I guess I'd have to kiss klemm butt or sito but if that is the case but I charged Klemm and have charged Sito as well, so not sure how that works giving someone a resume that you are challenging through elections or through DOL procedures.Gotta follow your beliefs as we only live once. I'm very proud of my service to the members as an organizing director that tossed out the dopey IAM organizing policies and installed my winning edge that changed the organizing outcome of the IAM from losing 20 elections in a row, to winning the 3 that I formulated and strategized. Now though, they reverted back to dopey crap. The Horizon, JetBlue and Delta campaigns are once again a disaster. There is no intelligence involved in those 3 campaigns and more importantly no commitment and passion and no generals out in the field. I was never in my office, I was always out there with my organizers and I knew people by name.

This sounds great and if I'm ever looking for an organizer I'll consider your résumé. But I'm already represented and have a contract and am in trouble and looking for a Steward. I still haven't heard why you should be my go to guy?

 

[Tim Nelson]

This sounds great and if I'm ever looking for an organizer I'll consider your résumé. But I'm already represented and have a contract and am in trouble and looking for a Steward. I still haven't heard why you should be my go to guy?

I could never be your go to guy as you most likely would never stop talking in a hearing. Plus you prolly drink non union beer so id have to recommend 700 to be your guy.