JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

I could never be your go to guy as you most likely would never stop talking in a hearing. Plus you prolly drink non union beer so id have to recommend 700 to be your guy.

So you're saying that you wouldn't be or aren't a good Steward then? Well I guess that makes sense since every time you bring up my contract I give or post a link for you and you never read it. And a few times I've even had to explain your own contract to you which even you have to admit is kind of strange.

I'd probably still use you anyway though because the curiosity on what you would do would be too overwhelming to pass up. And I'm sure I could straighten up your mess anyway.

 

[Tim Nelson]

So you're saying that you wouldn't be or aren't a good Steward then? Well I guess that makes sense since every time you bring up my contract I give or post a link for you and you never read it. And a few times I've even had to explain your own contract to you which even you have to admit is kind of strange.
I'd probably still use you anyway though because the curiosity on what you would do would be too overwhelming to pass up. And I'm sure I could straighten up your mess anyway.

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[ograc]

So it begs the question. The NC in their updates claim 18 of the 20 T/A's are improvements.
Is that for the AA side, the US side, or both. Obviously if the insurance rumor is true and US is taking
it in the butt, will the NC state they have another improved T/A but fail to leave out "for the AA side".
Again, my worry with the Association is when you make someone happy, you could very well be angering
the others. I hope they are reaching T/A's that everyone is happy about or can live with as opposed to
everyone being more upset at what they lost instead of what they gained.
 
A perfect example would be if AA lost Cargo, but US kept Catering and actually gained a few stations
I can see where the AA side would be upset and the US side would be ecstatic. Or vice versa.

 
 As stated earlier, A cost neutral posture by the company seems to be anticipated. Call it gloom and doom. Call it what you like. Improvements will be made for some, but at what cost to others. The negotiations environment does not seem to have changed. The company's mindset remains "cost neutral" IMO.
 

 

[Worldport]

So you're saying that you wouldn't be or aren't a good Steward then? Well I guess that makes sense since every time you bring up my contract I give or post a link for you and you never read it. And a few times I've even had to explain your own contract to you which even you have to admit is kind of strange.

I'd probably still use you anyway though because the curiosity on what you would do would be too overwhelming to pass up. And I'm sure I could straighten up your mess anyway.

You are cruising I can't wait to see Tim's next video. Your tugging on superman's cape weez

 

[WeAAsles]

As stated earlier, A cost neutral posture by the company seems to be anticipated. Call it gloom and doom. Call it what you like. Improvements will be made for some, but at what cost to others. The negotiations environment does not seem to have changed. The company's mindset remains "cost neutral" IMO.

I wish that you would just come out with it already. You're concerned about your station surviving.

Why can't you just be honest and admit that? Better to admit it and we can talk about it instead of doing this dance.

 

[700UW]

 
 As stated earlier, A cost neutral posture by the company seems to be anticipated. Call it gloom and doom. Call it what you like. Improvements will be made for some, but at what cost to others. The negotiations environment does not seem to have changed. The company's mindset remains "cost neutral" IMO.
 

Enough already, jeez.
 
We all know you are in a small station and you are worried about it being closed and outsourced.
 
Its not hard to admit that already.
 
And if you are getting a 25% raise or more, do you think the negotiating committee or the membership will allow concessions to make up for the raises?
 
Enough of the doom and gloom, your not in concessionary bargaining, the company is not in chapter 11, stop already.
 
You are combining two long standing CBAs and the NC wants to get it right, and of course the company is going to try and spend as little as possible, but they are not taking a cost neutral stance.  They tested the waters when they floated the idea of Cargo and Catering and were told GOFY.
 
So stop with the concessions and cost neutral talk, did the Pilots, FAs and CWA get cost neutral contracts?
 
Nope.
 
There has never been Section 6 nor JCBA talks scheduled as much as it is occurring now, so enough with the doom and gloom.
 
The only reason the APA and APFA got speedy CBAs as they contained Binding Arbitration clauses, and the FAs had to go to it for certain issues and lost.
 
Enough already, and post with facts and figures.

 

[Worldport]

Enough already, jeez.
 
We all know you are in a small station and you are worried about it being closed and outsourced.
 
Its not hard to admit that already.
 
And if you are getting a 25% raise or more, do you think the negotiating committee or the membership will allow concessions to make up for the raises?
 
Enough of the doom and gloom, your not in concessionary bargaining, the company is not in chapter 11, stop already.
 
You are combining two long standing CBAs and the NC wants to get it right, and of course the company is going to try and spend as little as possible, but they are not taking a cost neutral stance.  They tested the waters when they floated the idea of Cargo and Catering and were told GOFY.
 
So stop with the concessions and cost neutral talk, did the Pilots, FAs and CWA get cost neutral contracts?
 
Nope.
 
There has never been Section 6 nor JCBA talks scheduled as much as it is occurring now, so enough with the doom and gloom.
 
The only reason the APA and APFA got speedy CBAs as they contained Binding Arbitration clauses, and the FAs had to go to it for certain issues and lost.
 
Enough already, and post with facts and figures.

You're probably right but don't jump on the guy we don't have facts and figures we have history and I understand his concerns

 

[WeAAsles]

You're probably right but don't jump on the guy we don't have facts and figures we have history and I understand his concerns

You can't say that it doesn't get to be a little over the top after awhile. And negative thinking usually brings negative results in life.

And I like the dude and usually his positive "Lock and Load" let's get em normal mentality he's had in the past.

 

[Worldport]

You can't say that it doesn't get to be a little over the top after awhile. And negative thinking usually brings negative results in life.

And I like the dude and usually his positive "Lock and Load" let's get em normal mentality he's had in the past.

I already expressed my opinion on lock and load you got to have gun and ammo we have neither it's obvious by how long this is going to take You know what I'm holding? Well I admit it's not much

 

[700UW]

You're probably right but don't jump on the guy we don't have facts and figures we have history and I understand his concerns

I was not hard on him, he never posts a stand, he dances around it.
 
The facts are AA is not in chapter 11, your not in Section 1113 C negotiations and the other work groups CBA costs increased to the company, not decreased nor cost neutral.

 

[Worldport]

You can't say that it doesn't get to be a little over the top after awhile. And negative thinking usually brings negative results in life.

And I like the dude and usually his positive "Lock and Load" let's get em normal mentality he's had in the past.

Weez
 

You can't say that it doesn't get to be a little over the top after awhile. And negative thinking usually brings negative results in life.

And I like the dude and usually his positive "Lock and Load" let's get em normal mentality he's had in the past.

Weez one can also say your positive attitude relating to these negotiations  is over the top. You have to admit  most agents are thinking this is taking too long . I'll admit you and 700 have good points and are probably correct, but as a whole we don't want to here it. We want to get paid

 

[bob@las-AA]

Enough already, jeez.
 
We all know you are in a small station and you are worried about it being closed and outsourced.
 
Its not hard to admit that already.
 
And if you are getting a 25% raise or more, do you think the negotiating committee or the membership will allow concessions to make up for the raises?
 
Enough of the doom and gloom, your not in concessionary bargaining, the company is not in chapter 11, stop already.
 
You are combining two long standing CBAs and the NC wants to get it right, and of course the company is going to try and spend as little as possible, but they are not taking a cost neutral stance.  They tested the waters when they floated the idea of Cargo and Catering and were told GOFY.
 
So stop with the concessions and cost neutral talk, did the Pilots, FAs and CWA get cost neutral contracts?
 
Nope.
 
There has never been Section 6 nor JCBA talks scheduled as much as it is occurring now, so enough with the doom and gloom.
 
The only reason the APA and APFA got speedy CBAs as they contained Binding Arbitration clauses, and the FAs had to go to it for certain issues and lost.
 
Enough already, and post with facts and figures.

Hate to admit it but you get a green from me!

 

[700UW]

Weez
 
Weez one can also say your positive attitude relating to these negotiations  is over the top. You have to admit  most agents are thinking this is taking too long . I'll admit you and 700 have good points and are probably correct, but as a whole we don't want to here it. We want to get paid

Are you ever going to learn from the mistakes of the past?
 
Go ask UA Ramp what happened to them when they voted for the money.
 
Go ask US Ramp what happened to over 20 stations after the 2008 JCBA when they voted for the money.
 
Every single item in a CBA has a cost attached to it, I guess you dont remember 1992 when the company screwed you all.

 

[700UW]

Hate to admit it but you get a green from me!

Thank you.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Are you ever going to learn from the mistakes of the past?
 
Go ask UA Ramp what happened to them when they voted for the money.
 
Go ask US Ramp what happened to over 20 stations after the 2008 JCBA when they voted for the money.
 
Every single item in a CBA has a cost attached to it, I guess you dont remember 1992 when the company screwed you all.

As a note, Sito said the United TA1 & then TA2 was the best thing since sliced bread. Then he had the attorneys draft up a letter saying they would never be able to strike and they better take it or it would get worse. So, you want to blame the membership when Sito and Ira came back with TA2 and said the union has exhausted all things and if you don't vote it in then it will be 10 years before you get another TA? You never put the blame where it is. I can just hear your dopes telling spirit rampers, "This is your first contract and it is a goodie."

So, excuse me before I believe your Pollyanna mindset that Sito and the IAM are going to lock and load and not concede anything. I hope you are right but I have learned that you basically just shill for the IAM.

regards,