JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

 
Mindset? You seem to not pay much attention outside what others tell you.

No actually I'm the one who's told others that that's what I think it is. Hope that doesn't burst you bubble.
 

 
The profit sharing plan has been reinstated, the choices in the matter are to either accept or not. There is no choice to change the method of payout. It has been put in writing and even the APFA has issued a release to the method of payout. Of course, your interest only lies in what others tell you with little to no effort on your part to seek out information that is not biased or tainted. You're very gullible and naive and those feeding you your rhetoric are completely in charge of what you think.
 

No point in even attempting to negotiate on anything then if that's what you're saying. Might as well accept anything that's offered to us then I guess? And we're not Flight Attendants the last time I checked.

The rest of what you wrote is very funny. If only you knew. lol.
 

 
Anyway...the Profit Sharing plan will be based on earnings. Keep playing the card with the "maybe's" and "could be's". At some point, you will realize the information you're being given is biased and you're being used to fulfill the agenda of others. You're just a vessel...Let me guess, I bet your handlers are very good are telling you how much smarter you are than everyone else, but at the same time, they never come out and defend their point of view. They won't come here a refute what we share, they just whisper in your ear and open the barn doors.

Again if only you really knew, lol. It really must be quite frustrating for you would be my guess?

Anyway refute what? How many times have I said that you're probably right? How much more do you need? What I need is to see it in writing signed by my negotiators. The TWU/IAM Employee Association Fleet Service Presidents and AGC's.

Have you seen that yet?

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Well, then, I guess what is spoken on these pages (including the negotiators) mean nothing unless they have a signed letter.
 
You've spent many years on these pages and I guess all your contributions have been backed up by signed letters from everyone you purport to get information from.
 
That's pretty impressive, Weasle.
 
Well, then it doesn't matter the payout methodology released by the Company is meaningless...I guess the formula released by the APFA is also moot.
 
Disregard, my contributions then. Didn't realize we needed to have signed documents in order to prove our positions. That criteria kind of makes this forum obsolete.
 
Well, it was good while it lasted. In a few months, we'll look back to this thread and realize it worked out as described.

Let me change this for you and make it as simple as possible. Hey WeAAsles do you think that our negotiators are going to agree to accept the PS offer and it will wind up being like the old formula that we traded in the past for structural increases?

Yes NYer I do believe that we will have the same 5% and formula for payout that we traded in the past for those increases. I believe though that our Negotiators are trying to put that into the contract so it can't be easily changed in the future at the whim of management? I can't honestly state that for a fact and I also can't state if they will wind up being successful but I do believe that there is some time and there's no need at least at this moment for any urgency.

So would you like to offer some more of your "opinions"?

 

[NYer]

No actually I'm the one who's told others that that's what I think it is. Hope that doesn't burst you bubble.
 

No point in even attempting to negotiate on anything then if that's what you're saying. Might as well accept anything that's offered to us then I guess? And we're not Flight Attendants the last time I checked.

The rest of what you wrote is very funny. If only you knew. lol.
 

Again if only you really knew, lol. It really must be quite frustrating for you would be my guess?

Anyway refute what? How many times have I said that you're probably right? How much more do you need? What I need is to see it in writing signed by my negotiators. The TWU/IAM Employee Association Fleet Service Presidents and AGC's.

Have you seen that yet?

 
OK. Buddy. Disregard everything and wait for your signed letter.
 
If you believe there is a method to give out profit sharing to 100,000 employees using different methods and formulas, then you can keep that bubble, if you like.
 
If you want to ignore the information released by the APFA and AA, then go ahead, ignore your surroundings.

 

[Tim Nelson]

No. It's not in the air. There will not be separate plans for separate groups, the plan payout is based on earnings. If you've paid attention to the last several years, it has become painfully clear the Company has moved towards having everyone with the same plans, whether it be medical or profit sharing. It is either accepted, or it won't but changing it is not an option that is available. (by the way it is the same exact plan we had before)

+1

 

[NYer]

Let me change this for you and make it as simple as possible. Hey WeAAsles do you think that our negotiators are going to agree to accept the PS offer and it will wind up being like the old formula that we traded in the past for structural increases?

Yes NYer I do believe that we will have the same 5% and formula for payout that we traded in the past for those increases. I believe though that our Negotiators are trying to put that into the contract so it can't be easily changed in the future at the whim of management? I can't honestly state that for a fact and I also can't state if they will wind up being successful but I do believe that there is some time and there's no need at least at this moment for any urgency.

So would you like to offer some more of your "opinions"?

 
OK. So you agree. Thanks.

 

[WeAAsles]

OK. So you agree. Thanks.

If that's how you view it, then you're welcome.

 

[WeAAsles]

OK. Buddy. Disregard everything and wait for your signed letter.
 
If you believe there is a method to give out profit sharing to 100,000 employees using different methods and formulas, then you can keep that bubble, if you like.
 
If you want to ignore the information released by the APFA and AA, then go ahead, ignore your surroundings.

Sure there could be a different method. While I absolutely don't believe this would happen, what if the portion that was alloted to Association members was distributed out to members as an equal equation?

Again I highly doubt that would happen though.

 

[NYer]

Sure there could be a different method. While I absolutely don't believe this would happen, what if the portion that was alloted to Association members was distributed out to members as an equal equation?

Again I highly doubt that would happen though.

 
So, again, you agree. You just want me to use questions marks and be ambiguous so you can feel more comfortable. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Sure there could be a different method. While I absolutely don't believe this would happen, what if the portion that was alloted to Association members was distributed out to members as an equal equation?

Again I highly doubt that would happen though.

What if the Easter Bunny existed? Wake up Weasles, give NYer he credit he deserves. Me and NYer don't always agree but he knows what he is talking about and is the elected voice of MIA. Suck it up weasles and stop with the sour grapes. You lost, big deal, everyone loses. Support your Local and stop with your Barbie Tantrums!

 

[WeAAsles]

So, again, you agree. You just want me to use questions marks and be ambiguous so you can feel more comfortable.

No I would rather you post the PDF link that states clearly that the Association has signed off and accepted the Profit Sharing promise from the company.

Can you provide that (?) or are we just supposed to go with the age old and misused and abused phrase:

"Trust me"

 

[WeAAsles]

What if the Easter Bunny existed? Wake up Weasles, give NYer he credit he deserves. Me and NYer don't always agree but he knows what he is talking about and is the elected voice of MIA. Suck it up weasles and stop with the sour grapes. You lost, big deal, everyone loses. Support your Local and stop with your Barbie Tantrums!

Tim has the Association signed off on the PS agreement with the Company yet?

Time could be running out if they haven't, right?

And stop "sucking" up bro. Very unbecoming.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim has the Association signed off on the PS agreement with the Company yet?

Time could be running out if they haven't, right?

And stop "sucking" up bro. Very unbecoming.

Sucking up to who, NYer? Me and NYer often disagree but he is most often right. I think both of you are strong union guys but your energies are better placed in support of your Locally elected leadership. When NYer comes on here and says some things and points out some clarifications, you get all in a hissy fit and look really bad. When NYer isn't posting,
you usually have great comments and good insight about things most of us are interested in.

 

[ChockJockey]

Says the guy on the outside looking in.

 
And where are you looking from exactly?

 

[700UW]

The grassy knoll.

 

[WeAAsles]

Sucking up to who, NYer? Me and NYer often disagree but he is most often right. I think both of you are strong union guys but your energies are better placed in support of your Locally elected leadership. When NYer comes on here and says some things and points out some clarifications, you get all in a hissy fit and look really bad. When NYer isn't posting,you usually have great comments and good insight about things most of us are interested in.

Tim has the Association signed off on the PS agreement with the Company yet?

Time could be running out if they haven't, right?