JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Worldport]

I very much doubt they have a big enough carrot personally? AND they have no RR at UAL or SWA either. Delta is the only one who flys with that crap on the ramp these days.

And DL is who they are trying to emulate and who's pay scale they were going to base ours on. Does our passenger service have ready reserve what about DL's

 

[Worldport]

And DL is who they are trying to emulate and who's pay scale they were going to base ours on. Does our passenger service have ready reserve what about DL's

Weaasles do you want hundreds of guys looking like Bob running around MIA

 

[bob@las-AA]

Weaasles do you want hundreds of guys looking like Bob running around MIA

That's funny!
And I can take a guess what weez would say......F&@k NO!

 

[WeAAsles]

And DL is who they are trying to emulate and who's pay scale they were going to base ours on. Does our passenger service have ready reserve what about DL's

Ours doesn't. You'd have to ask Kev if DL PSA has RR also? I assume they do. At least as far as the major airlines for Unionized workgroups the only ones I know of with RR is Flight Attendants. I'm not sure about Pilots? I never hear them talk about being RR so?

 

[700UW]

Flight attendants aren't ready reserves.

They are reserve and have all the benefits and work under the CBA.

Apples and oranges.

 

[WeAAsles]

Flight attendants aren't ready reserves.
They are reserve and have all the benefits and work under the CBA.
Apples and oranges.

My bad. But there is a tiny similarity as they get paid more when they're called in for a flight. But no they certainly aren't unbenefited employees. Delta is the only one that has that type of abomination of any airline in its size range and sadly those workers to this day continue to accept it.

 

[AANOTOK]

My bad. But there is a tiny similarity as they get paid more when they're called in for a flight. But no they certainly aren't unbenefited employees. Delta is the only one that has that type of abomination of any airline in its size range and sadly those workers to this day continue to accept it.

 

[Kev3188]

Ours doesn't. You'd have to ask Kev if DL PSA has RR also? I assume they do. At least as far as the major airlines for Unionized workgroups the only ones I know of with RR is Flight Attendants. I'm not sure about Pilots? I never hear them talk about being RR so?

We have Ready Reserve in ramp/cargo, all AW functions (gate, counter, Sky Clubs, etc.), Res, and some base maintenance functions. There are also some GSE spots that are RR as well...

 

[Tim Nelson]

Flight attendants aren't ready reserves.
They are reserve and have all the benefits and work under the CBA.
Apples and oranges.

and some pretty nice watermelons as well! I wouldnt be shocked if our jcba has temp agents with no benefits but not sure how the union would be able to explain that to a delta ramper. You do know that you will cause all 4,000 cargo jobs to be wiped out along with thousands of non hub employees...but you guys dont care since its all about dues and democrats with you guys.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

My bad. But there is a tiny similarity as they get paid more when they're called in for a flight. But no they certainly aren't unbenefited employees. Delta is the only one that has that type of abomination of any airline in its size range and sadly those workers to this day continue to accept it.

ready reserve was a creation by our previous iam chairman, back in the 90s.
Although the iam continues to bargain ready reserve and weekend part time and separate pay scales or health benefits for part time, it does so at major airlines as well in various fashion but stays away from the term ready reserve now. At United it has temp workers which resemble ready reserve except their duration is capped to around 100 days plus extensions.
The iam signed a contract outside of bankruptcy with Parker in 2008 that had ready reserve so I wouldnt be surprised if there was some form of temp agents in this contract.

 

[WeAAsles]

ready reserve was a creation by our previous iam chairman, back in the 90s.
Although the iam continues to bargain ready reserve and weekend part time and separate pay scales or health benefits for part time, it does so at major airlines as well in various fashion but stays away from the term ready reserve now. At United it has temp workers which resemble ready reserve except their duration is capped to around 100 days plus extensions.
The iam signed a contract outside of bankruptcy with Parker in 2008 that had ready reserve so I wouldnt be surprised if there was some form of temp agents in this contract.

Off the street "Temps" that we have in the TWU language hasn't been used in years. I'd say at least year 2000 systemwide from people I talk to.

As far as temporary upgrades they pretty much have that in our contract already. It's called PT extension. When I hired on I was pretty much extended every day except Saturday particularly during peak seasons.

The lower ends are always going to prop up in some way the top of the ladder Tim. At one point in time you propped it up and so did I. And one day all those new hires we have now will be propped up as well when they have multiple years under their belt.

How hard are they going to be squeezed to prop us up is the question?

 

[Worldport]

Off the street "Temps" that we have in the TWU language hasn't been used in years. I'd say at least year 2000 systemwide from people I talk to.

As far as temporary upgrades they pretty much have that in our contract already. It's called PT extension. When I hired on I was pretty much extended every day except Saturday particularly during peak seasons.

The lower ends are always going to prop up in some way the top of the ladder Tim. At one point in time you propped it up and so did I. And one day all those new hires we have now will be propped up as well when they have multiple years under their belt.

How hard are they going to be squeezed to prop us up is the question?

We might have been better off with a quickie contract taking the best from both airlines. Now we are saying we want this and the company is saying they want that. Weez you would have been driving a new car  by now, Are you okay with these negotiations taking  18 months? I'm not I may even come out with my own video but I'll have to wait for laundry day I might even fall asleep during it

 

[WeAAsles]

We might have been better off with a quickie contract taking the best from both airlines. Now we are saying we want this and the company is saying they want that. Weez you would have been driving a new car  by now, Are you okay with these negotiations taking  18 months? I'm not I may even come out with my own video but I'll have to wait for laundry day I might even fall asleep during it

It's only been 5 months so far since day one of talks. Why are you thinking it will take 18 months if the Agents and Dispatchers took 10 months?

Next run of negotiations is 4 straight weeks BTW. This is being far more expedited then any negotiations I've ever seen in my career.

And the car is running spectacular. Probably going to keep it longer now (by choice)

 

[Traymark]

It's only been 5 months so far since day one of talks. Why are you thinking it will take 18 months if the Agents and Dispatchers took 10 months?

Next run of negotiations is 4 straight weeks BTW. This is being far more expedited then any negotiations I've ever seen in my career.

And the car is running spectacular. Probably going to keep it longer now (by choice)

 
 
update:
Tomorrow will be the 6 month mark of the first talks that they announced in October 15 (it takes 6 weeks to collect your thoughts).
 
It took less than 3 months in 03 to rewrite all 3 union contracts at the same time,(so I guess you weren't around then weas?) no scheduling problems at all back then.
 
Pilots and FA's took 4 months this time, again, not much scheduling problems there either.
 
There should be 7 day a week negotiations, we've earned that much.

 

[700UW]

We might have been better off with a quickie contract taking the best from both airlines. Now we are saying we want this and the company is saying they want that. Weez you would have been driving a new car  by now, Are you okay with these negotiations taking  18 months? I'm not I may even come out with my own video but I'll have to wait for laundry day I might even fall asleep during it

And please explain how the company would have agreed to a quickie contract taking the best of both?
 
Doesnt work that way.