JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

We already have a contract I doubt will see a signing bonus did passenger service?

Passenger service did not. But all items in talks are negotiable and since we're the last groups that need to be done for the company to fully begin synergies they want, the carrot on a stick to ensure passage is possible.

 

[Worldport]

Is there a link to this contract Tim?

http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/steelworkers-make-big-gains-at-american-airlines-581135041.html

Whats the exchange rate and tax rate in Canada. Ha Ha

 

[WeAAsles]

Whats the exchange rate and tax rate in Canada. Ha Ha

$6,500 = $8,512.79 Canadian in today's exchange. Taxes are higher in Canada.

 

[Tim Nelson]

We already have a contract I doubt will see a signing bonus did passenger service?

the USWA already had a contract as well. The CWA had 70% non contract folks, so most folks who don't have a contract don't get a signing bonus. Signing bonus' are almost exclusive to union members who already enjoy a contract. At United, they got about $6,000 outside of section 6 but it was pretty much just a borrowed check since the IAM agreed to postpone any raises for 8 months to pay for the signing bonus.

 

[WeAAsles]

the USWA already had a contract as well. The CWA had 70% non contract folks, so most folks who don't have a contract don't get a signing bonus. Signing bonus' are almost exclusive to union members who already enjoy a contract. At United, they got about $6,000 outside of section 6 but it was pretty much just a borrowed check since the IAM agreed to postpone any raises for 8 months to pay for the signing bonus.

That one I'd agree with. For some reason the company I guess wanted to keep them on the same schedule they already had them on and didn't change the date. So yes the bonus was a pacifier to get to November.

 

[Tim Nelson]

That one I'd agree with. For some reason the company I guess wanted to keep them on the same schedule they already had them on and didn't change the date. So yes the bonus was a pacifier to get to November.

as a matter of clarity, the actual bonus for the American airline ramper in Canada with 17+ years was $6,700. I tossed my original post out there on this site because I knew you would not only research and confirm this but I hope you send it to the Negotiation committee since I'm not too confident that they are good researchers are are aware of industry doings.

 

[WeAAsles]

as a matter of clarity, the actual bonus for the American airline ramper in Canada with 17+ years was $6,700. I tossed my original post out there on this site because I knew you would not only research and confirm this but I hope you send it to the Negotiation committee since I'm not too confident that they are good researchers are are aware of industry doings.

I tried searching for a link to the entire CBA but can't get it? Canadian Law may not require the union to post that information publicly like US Law does?

I'm sure that our Unions both have contacts that they can get that from I would suspect.

BTW I just love how the whole World can look online and see how much we make. NOT!!!!!

 

[Tim Nelson]

I tried searching for a link to the entire CBA but can't get it? Canadian Law may not require the union to post that information publicly like US Law does?

I'm sure that our Unions both have contacts that they can get that from I would suspect.

BTW I just love how the whole World can look online and see how much we make. NOT!!!!!

please forward information to our fearless negotiators. Let's not take these things for granted.

 

[WeAAsles]

please forward information to our fearless negotiators. Let's not take these things for granted.

Tim you do know that they read this page right? Besides we can't really use it if we don't know the full details? Maybe they're only making $15.00 per hour even with those raises and the benefits suck? So a bonus would have been only a complete carrot just to get them to sign?

I really wish I could get a copy of this agreement obviously. I like to read them all.

This is who represents them.

http://myuswlocal.org/sites/CA/LU1976B/index.cfm?action=article&articleID=337f252a-ed97-473c-b9c5-e1da65dbed5f

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim you do know that they read this page right? Besides we can't really use it if we don't know the full details? Maybe they're only making $15.00 per hour even with those raises and the benefits suck? So a bonus would have been only a complete carrot just to get them to sign?

I really wish I could get a copy of this agreement obviously. I like to read them all.

This is who represents them.

http://myuswlocal.org/sites/CA/LU1976B/index.cfm?action=article&articleID=337f252a-ed97-473c-b9c5-e1da65dbed5f

I'm sure my friend Mike Piche negotiated it. I'll try to contact him.

 

[700UW]

Pretty much what the execs were saying at the town halls. I don't know if you have access to those videos. Don' let the lack of resources get in your way

They said take one contract or the other, and the association said no.

As JCBA negotiations' goal is to get the best of both contracts and improvements.

 

[Tim Nelson]

They said take one contract or the other, and the association said no.

As JCBA negotiations' goal is to get the best of both contracts and improvements.

Well then, I'll go with improvements because both contracts are represent the worst of most everything including pay, paid days off, retirement, overtime, etc.

Blah Blah Blah

 

[ograc]

to be sure, the best of both would be an absolute disaster since both contracts absolutely blow and are the worst in the industry. It is intellectually insulting when the two unions even mention it and I wish they would stop.
The best of both would give us an absolute disaster with vacations, holidays, pay, shift differ, retirement, sick time, overtime, scope.

Please stop it 700 as I doubt that our negotiation committee is even thinking so low.

As far as a quickie contract, our union did a rapid one several times while in bankruptcy. I think the IAM netted about 3 complete contracts in the space of 18 months to hammer us. So, it goes without saying since the IAM was so friendly, that maybe Parker would return the favor. But please don't bring back a quickie 90 day contract like you dopes did at United. That puke contract is exactly what we would expect with only 90 days of negotiations. no full time protections, no part time caps, ridiculous health care that wasn't bothered with, etc., etc.,

regards,

 
Haste makes Waste. The IAM and UA have proven a wasteful agreement can be ratified by a shortsighted membership interested only in the $$$$. The NC for the IAM, however, were already under the threat of losing stations and members on the CO side if talks dragged on. The CO CBA agreement had very little scope protection in it. Different set of circumstances brought to the table. It's an aggressive schedule for talks at this stage of negotiations. It's the productivity toward a new JCBA on those scheduled dates that is important. The pace is normal when neither party wants to give. Let us remember; these are not Section 6 contract negotiations. At this point... are they legally bound to reach a joint agreement? Is the IAM legally bound to "withdrawal services" (strike) if no agreement is reached? There are advantages for both sides to reach a joint agreement. No doubt. But at what cost? I'm sure the company already has that cost figured out. A lot of cards still have to be played. Let's see. Patience is a virtue. 
 

 

[WeAAsles]

This is for the Doom and Gloom People.

http://m.aviationweek.com/iata-agm-2016/iata-boosts-2016-airline-profit-forecast-85

 

[ograc]

This is for the Doom and Gloom People.

http://m.aviationweek.com/iata-agm-2016/iata-boosts-2016-airline-profit-forecast-85

 

As below wing employees we should not take too much comfort in your link. The forecast for the industry is good. That does not necessarily mean the fruits of such a good financial environment will be shared with all. If that were true we would have an agreement by now that makes everything right. You really looking for that elusive pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? You may call it gloom and doom. Those who have been through multiple contract negotiations, both in and out of bankruptcy, don't necessarily share your optimism that the company will do what is right by their employees. All about cost, profit and return to shareholders. It's business as usual.