JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Worldport]

A very high seniority job...you sit in a air conditioned room and scan bags as the come by you in a bagroom.
In Dallas, as a clerk, I can barely get it in the afternoons, but with week days off only, not even close to a weekend. And as you know, I have 33 years. You would be OK.
 
These are the kind of jobs AA is trying to outsource...making the senior guys retire.
Cabin service was high seniority as is cargo. We also had eagle bag runners which was very high.
They took that away in Bankruptcy.

  Thank You, you see if I was forced out of a job like that I would go the ramp and pace myself. It's a aging workforce I can't and won't do what I did 20, 30 years ago and the company can't discriminate

 

[Tim Nelson]

Seniority between US and PI was settled years ago, it wont change.
 
Just like the former TWers wont be getting their TW seniority.
 
So blame who you want, your posts show your ignorance and true colors.
 
So make up more lies and misinformation, I once again, had NOTHING to do with your bridge agreement when Fleet unionized in 1995, and have NOTHING to do with the current agreement nor your negotiations, keep up the lies and you wonder why you cant get elected, its called credibility, something which you severely lack.

huh?
So ill take that as a yes that you agree that Sito cut the seniority deal to screw us. There was never any arbitration so stop lying. And you were livid after you found out you contracted out a whole craft as you didnt even know what you signed. There is a reason why you are far far away from the airlines and had to restart your career with the pasta and sloppy joe catering business.

 

[WeAAsles]

NO, your missing the whole point W, a company does not need any jobs (concessions) making billions. Period
 
But let me ask you this W, during the 1113 negotiations, AA was looking to take almost all high seniority jobs. Cabin was gone, mail was gone, they wanted bagroom expeditors, encode, eagle runners etc...would you be alright if AA said we will open all stations with a net gain of 1000 jobs but EVERYTHING is outsourced except for ramp (the loading and unloading of planes). So, either you work bellies and run bags or you find a new job. Remember, you are gaining 1000 jobs, something you see as not being a concession.

Take away the gun forced to the head bargaining and let's negotiate.

If AA offers an excellent buyout package I'd pass it for you to vote on. If you say no (the members) I'll go back to the table and let the company know you prefer the other deal.

Maybe I'm in phenomenal shape and don't mind the bellies (where I actually do work) or maybe I'd want to transfer to one of those newly opened stations?

But yes i would chose a ton of NEW or regained jobs if it sacrifices a much smaller minority of jobs in the equation I gave you, absolutely.

 

[WeAAsles]

A very high seniority job...you sit in a air conditioned room and scan bags as the come by you in a bagroom.
In Dallas, as a clerk, I can barely get it in the afternoons, but with week days off only, not even close to a weekend. And as you know, I have 33 years. You would be OK.
 
These are the kind of jobs AA is trying to outsource...making the senior guys retire.
Cabin service was high seniority as is cargo. We also had eagle bag runners which was very high.
They took that away in Bankruptcy.

And this explains it. You're an encoder. You like or are extremely used to the job you have and want to hold on to it for dear life.

So I guess you like "your" particular job so much that you would sacrifice the idea of getting back Cabin and Eagle bag runners then (which would be a hell of a lot more jobs and then some)

So who's being selfish now?

 

[Worldport]

 It would be very easy to say rotating days off, AA medical and the fact the company still pays   (b)millions into AA retirement plans and not mine should be a no vote I could say LUS is getting screwed. Some things have to change and we have to accept it

I forgot our current flight scope I'm sure wont stay the same at 1 Weaasles are you saying drag these negotiations out months longer with the hope of getting more  jobs back? 

 

[WeAAsles]

I forgot our current flight scope I'm sure wont stay the same at 1 Weaasles are you saying drag these negotiations out months longer with the hope of getting more  jobs back?

The only thing I've ever said is let our negotiators do their job. And that financially we've been "lucky" that we didn't have this done 6 or more months ago and been locked in at a much lower wage rate.

I don't believe at all that if the industry had jumped above us that our management would have matched it. Not even in the slightest.

 

[NYer]

Just as an exercise, if it was decided to go with straight DOH, can Kasher be "reversed," would they stick with 4/1/01, or would there be some sort of carve out?

 
The Kasher decision lives on. It was procured via binding arbitration between the TWU and the IAM.

 

[NYer]

if it was arbitrated, as NYer informed us, then they won't be able to go back and rewrite the TWA seniority.

 
As a matter of fact, the Kasher decision would need to be revisited in order to establish TWA seniority in those stations that weren't part of the original decision. The methodology would be the same and therefore they can expect to get 4/10/01 in most, if not all, stations brought into the fold due to the US AA merger.

 

[NYer]

Write this down Tim. I said if I was a UAL Ramper I would have jumped on it. I'm NOT a UAL Ramper though and neither are you.

UAL gained a marketable improvement over what they had.

Write this down ok.

They had horrible Station protection. In comparison we have terrific Station protection.

They had and still have no PT caps. We have PT caps in both of our contracts.

Would I vote to give those items up for almost ANY pay increase? I'd really like to know what you've been smoking man? I think it might be laced with something so you need to be more careful. Of course not. No. I would NOT vote for those items at AA. If I was UAL I would have JUMPED on those improvements, absolutely YES.

 
It's not really a cap, it is the ceiling that can be moved.
 
If you believe it is a cap, please show us the language.

 

[Worldport]

The only thing I've ever said is let our negotiators do their job. And that financially we've been "lucky" that we didn't have this done 6 or more months ago and been locked in at a much lower wage rate.

I don't believe at all that if the industry had jumped above us that our management would have matched it. Not even in the slightest.

Weaasles  how long did it take for (despite their CEO's illness) UAL to reopen and improve their contract? It seems to me they went pretty quick once it was reopened

 

[WeAAsles]

It's not really a cap, it is the ceiling that can be moved.
 
If you believe it is a cap, please show us the language.

Cap or ceiling it's still a restriction against the company being able to inundate part timers systemwide over having more Full Time heads.

I actually sent a picture of that formula in our contract to Tim last weekend.

If you converse with T5towbar on here he will tell you what the old management team at UAL did with his station having no language at all in their contract. The only reason that was dialed back on was because their operation was falling to pieces.

With our (TWU) current restrictions on PT not being scheduled back to back it would be extremely operationally difficult to bomb a station like MIA (even more so DFW) with PT heads.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weaasles  how long did it take for (despite their CEO's illness) UAL to reopen and improve their contract? It seems to me they went pretty quick once it was reopened

3 months I believe? But that was limited issue negotiations. They didn't open the entire contract for negotiations which absolutely would have taken a lot longer if they went over all the Articles.

 

[AANOTOK]

And this explains it. You're an encoder. You like or are extremely used to the job you have and want to hold on to it for dear life.

So I guess you like "your" particular job so much that you would sacrifice the idea of getting back Cabin and Eagle bag runners then (which would be a hell of a lot more jobs and then some)

So who's being selfish now?

Please W, don't make things up. I have never been in encoding, not even to visit. I do know people who work it and they have told me if I ever want to give up my wings and don't mind having weekdays off, check out encoding, it's a good gig. So no, you are wrong.
But, yes, I will be selfish if it means me being able to keep a job like that as opposed to all I have is belly or bag runner. I'm not a moron and unlike a guy with five years, I have earned the right to have a tit job that's been around for many many contracts. Go ahead and be Rambo if you want, some of us senior guys want and deserve our due...and no, not retirement.

 

[Worldport]

3 months I believe? But that was limited issue negotiations. They didn't open the entire contract for negotiations which absolutely would have taken a lot longer if they went over all the Articles.

Come on Weez they opened the most important parts, parts we didn't even get to yet. I think they were smart to skip the bulletin boards.

 

[AANOTOK]

And also W, I see we would be screwed with folks like you who would only look out for the young and unborn. You would agree to give away every senior job out there just because YOU could and don't mind going back to a low seniority job. I most definitely would not want you on the negotiating committee.