JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[AANOTOK]

Man, ain't the board lively today...love it!!

 

[NYer]

Cap or ceiling it's still a restriction against the company being able to inundate part timers systemwide over having more Full Time heads.

I actually sent a picture of that formula in our contract to Tim last weekend.

If you converse with T5towbar on here he will tell you what the old management team at UAL did with his station having no language at all in their contract. The only reason that was dialed back on was because their operation was falling to pieces.

With our (TWU) current restrictions on PT not being scheduled back to back it would be extremely operationally difficult to bomb a station like MIA (even more so DFW) with PT heads.

 
MIA has 35% of all the part-timers in the system....that's about 700. Right now, the Company can add another 1,000 throughout the system without adding a single FTer (they can add an additional 350 in Miami alone). what protects the PTers from overrunning the system is the scheduling restrictions currently in place.

 

[Talos]

Actually have to admit that this is a very good perspective and questions. Are people who are willing to hold things up to keep their Stations open being selfish to the others who made a tough choice and moved to be more secure, or just happened to be lucky enough to have started and stayed in a hub/ being selfish keeping everyone else from the money?

Good point Worldport.

It's kind of like a difficult puzzle. The 2 work groups had different things and it will cost to blend them and give them to both sides. The total cost will end up in the ballpark with United and Delta and hopefully better. It is tricky to put together. This association was formed to prevent people from getting screwed. I'm for that, but it seems something will have to give here.Hopefully the unions will get a deal and show the costs in comparison with the other airlines so members can make a good decision based on knowledge. Just have to hope a very good all around deal gets put together.

 

[WeAAsles]

Please W, don't make things up. I have never been in encoding, not even to visit. I do know people who work it and they have told me if I ever want to give up my wings and don't mind having weekdays off, check out encoding, it's a good gig. So no, you are wrong.
But, yes, I will be selfish if it means me being able to keep a job like that as opposed to all I have is belly or bag runner. I'm not a moron and unlike a guy with five years, I have earned the right to have a tit job that's been around for many many contracts. Go ahead and be Rambo if you want, some of us senior guys want and deserve our due...and no, not retirement.

Cabin and Eagle bag runners were considered tit jobs also. How many flight did Bruno get sent out for every day? Fueling wouldn't be a physically demanding job and neither is Lavs. An employee bus driver could be demanding if the guy has to go to the bathroom and people are yelling at him because they want to get to their cars to get home.

So yes absolutely I'd sell out the encoder dude in exchange for all those jobs. Many many more jobs then the button pushers.

 

[WeAAsles]

It's kind of like a difficult puzzle. The 2 work groups had different things and it will cost to blend them and give them to both sides. The total cost will end up in the ballpark with United and Delta and hopefully better. It is tricky to put together. This association was formed to prevent people from getting screwed. I'm for that, but it seems something will have to give here.Hopefully the unions will get a deal and show the costs in comparison with the other airlines so members can make a good decision based on knowledge. Just have to hope a very good all around deal gets put together.

Nice comment. What I want to see from the Association and the new supposedly kinder, gentler AA is a raising of the bar that everyone else in our industry will look at and say "Wow, will you look at them"

 

[Kev3188]

Cap or ceiling it's still a restriction against the company being able to inundate part timers systemwide over having more Full Time heads.

I actually sent a picture of that formula in our contract to Tim last weekend.

If you converse with T5towbar on here he will tell you what the old management team at UAL did with his station having no language at all in their contract. The only reason that was dialed back on was because their operation was falling to pieces.

With our (TWU) current restrictions on PT not being scheduled back to back it would be extremely operationally difficult to bomb a station like MIA (even more so DFW) with PT heads.

It's easier than you think; especially if a hub ever goes back to being banked instead of rolled.

As it is, They can just pack opening and closing shifts with PTers, and squish most all FT lines onto mid morning or afternoon starts...

Hopefully, your NC plans accordingly...

 

[WeAAsles]

MIA has 35% of all the part-timers in the system....that's about 700. Right now, the Company can add another 1,000 throughout the system without adding a single FTer (they can add an additional 350 in Miami alone). what protects the PTers from overrunning the system is the scheduling restrictions currently in place.

Yes and why I mentioned that. Wondering if the company (I'm sure they will) will try to negotiate that out of the contract? Will they also want the ability to allow PT to sign up for OT? Or for transfers to be taken from PT to FT in station before allowing a more senior guy to come in from somewhere else? Will the company want to end the OT bypass and have members come in and make up that bypass?

These are items that are out there in other industry contracts and you better believe that the company is well aware of them.

 

[WeAAsles]

It's easier than you think; especially if a hub ever goes back to being banked instead of rolled.
As it is, They can just pack opening and closing shifts with PTers, and squish most all FT lines onto mid morning or afternoon starts...
Hopefully, your NC plans accordingly...

They will. And again we're not UAL and we had two groups that came into this merger with much stronger language than what PMCO brought to the wedding.

One more time. We are NOT UAL (Or Delta for that matter)

 

[AANOTOK]

Get rid if Bruno and his seniority job cause W didn't think he worked enough. W, you ever heard you don't let them take anything away cause you never get it back. Go ahead, give away the jobs for others, then when they come for those jobs what are you gonna do. Oh, that's right, you can handle and don't mind bellies. Let's go ahead and boot out the majority of the senior jobs with the workers and their seniority....true unionism buddy! You should ask Glass if they are hiring, you would fit right in.

 

[Kev3188]

You might not be, but your NC is...

Same church, different pew...

 

[Tim Nelson]

As a matter of fact, the Kasher decision would need to be revisited in order to establish TWA seniority in those stations that weren't part of the original decision. The methodology would be the same and therefore they can expect to get 4/10/01 in most, if not all, stations brought into the fold due to the US AA merger.

interesting. thanks

 

[Tim Nelson]

Please W, don't make things up. I have never been in encoding, not even to visit. I do know people who work it and they have told me if I ever want to give up my wings and don't mind having weekdays off, check out encoding, it's a good gig. So no, you are wrong.
But, yes, I will be selfish if it means me being able to keep a job like that as opposed to all I have is belly or bag runner. I'm not a moron and unlike a guy with five years, I have earned the right to have a tit job that's been around for many many contracts. Go ahead and be Rambo if you want, some of us senior guys want and deserve our due...and no, not retirement.

i thought weasle only talked down yo morons? lol

 

[Tim Nelson]

It's easier than you think; especially if a hub ever goes back to being banked instead of rolled.
As it is, They can just pack opening and closing shifts with PTers, and squish most all FT lines onto mid morning or afternoon starts...
Hopefully, your NC plans accordingly...

its very easy actually. Thats what the iam said when it coughed up the pt cap. then 150 more pt in ord happened.

 

[bob@las-AA]

And also W, I see we would be screwed with folks like you who would only look out for the young and unborn. You would agree to give away every senior job out there just because YOU could and don't mind going back to a low seniority job. I most definitely would not want you on the negotiating committee.

++1

 

[WeAAsles]

Get rid if Bruno and his seniority job cause W didn't think he worked enough. W, you ever heard you don't let them take anything away cause you never get it back. Go ahead, give away the jobs for others, then when they come for those jobs what are you gonna do. Oh, that's right, you can handle and don't mind bellies. Let's go ahead and boot out the majority of the senior jobs with the workers and their seniority....true unionism buddy! You should ask Glass if they are hiring, you would fit right in.

Who ever said Bruno didn't work enough? You used the term "tit job" and I just used your phrase. If you used that term first then I guess you think that some jobs are somewhat useless in a way?

"Tit job" implies real easy or "Cake job"

But yes I do think that you're somewhat out of your mind if you wouldn't exchange 50 jobs for hundreds more that are almost just as "tit" as the particular one we were using for the example.

Yes I think even the thought of it is insane.