JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[NYer]

So under your scenario a guy gets in over his head (yes with family obligations) he buys a house and car that are really too expensive for him to afford. And he prefers that his wife doesn't work and stays home to be June Cleaver.

You're basically saying that I should step aside and let him have my OT because he made his choice? Maybe I shouldn't sign up for the rest of my career because I "chose" not to have the same things (priorities) as him?

Well tell you what. Here's my priority. When we get our JCBA I'm buying a 2016 Yellow Mustang Convertible (My priority or problem) and I just might want to start working OT to make those payments a little lighter?

What do you think? Should I leave those hours alone because YOU might again have different priorities?

 
If you want to do that go ahead.
 
But at the same time, it will help the Member that has a sick family Member, or a Member that is sick himself and needs to pay for medication, maybe it is someone that is taking care of sick parent, or someone that just want to fix up their kitchen. Whatever the reason is, they each will have the same reasonable chance to get the OT they may need.
 
You may choose to think of yourself and the "hogs," but the trick of union man is to think of the whole rather than just certain parts.
 
You don't like equalization because of the "hogs," so you've made yourself very clear.
 
Funny thing is that you also advocate for geographic pay, which goes against your argument in this post.
 
For equalization, you don't want to pay for the choices others make with their lives. On the other hand, you're perfectly OK with having some Members in the country receive less pay so others can receive more even though their choice is to work in a high expense area. Quite ironic.
 
The biggest proponents of the OT equalization that I have ever come across work in New York, by choice. (according to your logic)

 

[AANOTOK]

Haha. I would agree with you. And then along came bankruptcy. Many people came to count on overtime.

Yes, but the idiotic agreement was written way before bankruptcy.

 

[charlie Brown]

NYer
On your above points on the duty assignment of overtime. If you aren't in the duty assignment, you still are eligible, it's just you are called after they complete the list for the agents in the duty assignment.

 

[AANOTOK]

 
If you want to do that go ahead.
 
But at the same time, it will help the Member that has a sick family Member, or a Member that is sick himself and needs to pay for medication, maybe it is someone that is taking care of sick parent, or someone that just want to fix up their kitchen. Whatever the reason is, they each will have the same reasonable chance to get the OT they may need.
 
You may choose to think of yourself and the "hogs," but the trick of union man is to think of the whole rather than just certain parts.
 
You don't like equalization because of the "hogs," so you've made yourself very clear.

Again, so leave out the guy quickly making up lost wages due to illness. Just have him fall in line and get it when he can...but hey, that guy got it daily while I was out. Seems fair to me NYer.

 

[WeAAsles]

If you want to do that go ahead.
 
But at the same time, it will help the Member that has a sick family Member, or a Member that is sick himself and needs to pay for medication, maybe it is someone that is taking care of sick parent, or someone that just want to fix up their kitchen. Whatever the reason is, they each will have the same reasonable chance to get the OT they may need.
 
You may choose to think of yourself and the "hogs," but the trick of union man is to think of the whole rather than just certain parts.
 
You don't like equalization because of the "hogs," so you've made yourself very clear.

I want to fix up my kitchen too. So what's your point?

There are 7.2 Billion people on this Earth. Am I supposed to carry the weight of all of them on my shoulders?

What happens if I come down with terminal cancer in MIA? I'll tell you what happens. I get a $5.00 per plate LS fundraiser and I'm quickly forgotten. Actually I bet I wouldn't even get that.

You're singing your tune to the wrong guy. I help those who are willing or at least try to help themselves. And yes "I" come first, my Family comes second, my friends come third and then maybe others when I chose.

Do I come before you or your family NYer my Brother?

 

[NYer]

I would argue that OT was never set up for it to be someones lifeline or to be worked every day. As a matter of fact I would say it it was intended to be a lost time replacement or make an extra buck benefit.

 
Don't think most people plan on it like that. On the other hand, most people on these pages have argued for years that our salaries haven't kept up with inflation or the cost of living. What was affordable a decade ago, may not be so affordable now. In the meantime, the kids have grown and on their way to college. A spouse may have lost their job or their own salary cut, medical expenses have gone up.
 
People get into financial situations and it isn't always because they purposefully overextended themselves.
 
Of course, there are people that fit your profile but we can't make decisions based on those people, rather we have to acknowledge that life happens and many more people find themselves in a situation where they couldn't control the outcome.

 

[NYer]

NYer
On your above points on the duty assignment of overtime. If you aren't in the duty assignment, you still are eligible, it's just you are called after they complete the list for the agents in the duty assignment.

 
So regardless of your hours, you'd go to the bottom of that duty assignment, correct?
 
We have one list, separated by shifts where the entire ramp, including Leads (CC) are called from.

 

[Kev3188]

I would argue that OT was never set up for it to be someones lifeline or to be worked every day. As a matter of fact I would say it it was intended to be a lost time replacement or make an extra buck benefit.

I would say it was set up to cover things that the normal work schedule doesn't.... 😀

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes, but the idiotic agreement was written way before bankruptcy.

And when the raises come the "need" for equalization should no longer exist either?

That "should" be the thought right?

 

[NYer]

I want to fix up my kitchen too. So what's your point?

There are 7.2 Billion people on this Earth. Am I supposed to carry the weight of all of them on my shoulders?

What happens if I come down with terminal cancer in MIA? I'll tell you what happens. I get a $5.00 per plate LS fundraiser and I'm quickly forgotten. Actually I bet I wouldn't even get that.

You're singing your tune to the wrong guy. I help those who are willing or at least try to help themselves. And yes "I" come first, my Family comes second, my friends come third and then maybe others when I chose.

Do I come before you or your family NYer my Brother?

 
Those that represent certainly put others before themselves. A unionist thinks of the whole, not the parts. Decisions are made based on what is the good for the majority, not the individual.

 

[WeAAsles]

Don't think most people plan on it like that. On the other hand, most people on these pages have argued for years that our salaries haven't kept up with inflation or the cost of living. What was affordable a decade ago, may not be so affordable now. In the meantime, the kids have grown and on their way to college. A spouse may have lost their job or their own salary cut, medical expenses have gone up.
 
People get into financial situations and it isn't always because they purposefully overextended themselves.
 
Of course, there are people that fit your profile but we can't make decisions based on those people, rather we have to acknowledge that life happens and many more people find themselves in a situation where they couldn't control the outcome.

Doesn't sound like you're very concerned about the single member who managed his money very well by holding off on things he might have wanted just to avoid becoming a slave to the OT machine?

Are those family men more important than me?

 

[WeAAsles]

Those that represent certainly put others before themselves. A unionist thinks of the whole, not the parts. Decisions are made based on what is the good for the majority, not the individual.

And I say that what's good for the majority. No let me rephrase that. What's good for EVERYONE is the end of equalization so everyone finally gets treated EQUALLY.

Why do you have a problem with that idea?

 

[robbedagain]

one thing that I think needs clearing is for example in our station  our admin will call the FT or PT for OT depending on the shift for either or  but when offered she will reduce the hrs by say 1 hr or 4 or 5 hrs    So for example John Doe signed up for the whole 8 hr shift   Admin Clerk calls Jane doe for the OT but only for 3 or 4 hrs out of the entire shift   The OT was put up for the entire amt of 8,0 hrs  why do they get to reduce the hours  to suit their needs or something?    they dont care if we work short  but if someone signed up for the entire 8 hr OT  it should be doled out as 8 hrs    not 3 or 4 or 5

 

[Kev3188]

Wait til you get a call to work 1 hour on your RDO...

 

[charlie Brown]

So regardless of your hours, you'd go to the bottom of that duty assignment, correct?
 
We have one list, separated by shifts where the entire ramp, including Leads (CC) are called from.

Yes that is correct.