JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[NYer]

I must admit NYer, I thought he was arguing the opposite, and I thought you were arguing the opposite as well. I will know go slash my right wrist, and hold off on the left until I take a peek at our T/A...

 
That's why there was the confusion. He was arguing against equalization, but the method used in his station was also what you guys were in favor of. As a matter of fact, I said the majority would take our equalization and he did a little survey comparing the TWU method to the IAM method and according to him it was 5 to 1 against the TWU process....which you guys are in favor of.
 
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[AANOTOK]

The only equalization I (we) are in favor of is the new bid or quarterly reset. I thought that was made clear yesterday. From some of your posts, you made it sound like you wanted guys equal throughout the whole bid so the guy who wanted OT could always be there in the mix, knocking out the guy who needed to make hours up in two straight weeks (he being the guy with no signups and no hours). It wasn't long ago OT equalization was done that way, always having peeps equal, even if their signature was not on the OT list.
 
OK, on to Gatorade flavors...

 

[bob@las-AA]

Mandatory hours are not charged.
 
Hours go to 0 at the beginning of each bid.
 
Then you should advocate to have the rules from your station adopted into the JCBA.

In DFW mandatory or white slip OT is chargeable.

 

[NYer]

The only equalization I (we) are in favor of is the new bid or quarterly reset. I thought that was made clear yesterday. From some of your posts, you made it sound like you wanted guys equal throughout the whole bid so the guy who wanted OT could always be there in the mix, knocking out the guy who needed to make hours up in two straight weeks (he being the guy with no signups and no hours. It wasn't long ago OT equalization was done that way, always having peeps equal, even if their signature was not on the OT list.

 
Nope. That's how the process works.
 
We call that process "equalization," which I'm in favor of. The back and forth with W was because he was against "equalization" and is the reason I asked if he knew what that meant. The opposition he feels is not on "equalization" but on the process of how that carried out. Being that he works in a station that has the process, as you described, it seemed odd he was against it.

 

[NYer]

In DFW mandatory or white slip OT is chargeable.

 
In our station it isn't and it's because of the process they're supposed to use in order to do the mandatory, which is supposed to exhaust the sign-up sheet for holdover, then ask for full time volunteers, then ask for part time volunteers, force part timers and finally force the full timer.

 

[AANOTOK]

So, can local agreements override contractual items. I thought BK (maybe 2003) did away with local agreements.

 

[AANOTOK]

This Brazilian Coffee and a CSO has me typing my ass off.  :blush:

 

[bob@las-AA]

So, can local agreements override contractual items. I thought BK (maybe 2003) did away with local agreements.

We have 17 stations and 17 different ways on handling how OT is charged and offered. All to accommodate the local need.

 

[Kev3188]

We had language that stated if you never wanted to be called or considered, you had to put it in writing, and you were taken off the list. If you changed your mind, I believe you came back in as the high man on hours.

 

[NYer]

So, can local agreements override contractual items. I thought BK (maybe 2003) did away with local agreements.

 
Local agreements cannot override the CBA.

 

[700UW]

Nyer

Your focused on Miami, there are 49 other stations and PMUS' way also.

Change is hard to accept for people, and change is comIng.

You represent MIA, the NC represents everyone.

 

[700UW]

Local agreements cannot override the CBA.

Oh yes they and they do as management and labor relations sign off it, only in regards to OT.

 

[DFWFSC]

Local agreements cannot override the CBA.

They have at AA and still do today. DFW has more or less had it's own set of rules forever.

 

[NYer]

Nyer

Your focused on Miami, there are 49 other stations and PMUS' way also.

Change is hard to accept for people, and change is comIng.

You represent MIA, the NC represents everyone.

 
What's the point?

 

[WeAAsles]

Nope. That's how the process works.
 
We call that process "equalization," which I'm in favor of. The back and forth with W was because he was against "equalization" and is the reason I asked if he knew what that meant. The opposition he feels is not on "equalization" but on the process of how that carried out. Being that he works in a station that has the process, as you described, it seemed odd he was against it.

Jeez Louise this would have been such an easier conversation if I had used the word "averaging" over the word "equalization" I guess?

NYer Yes I do prefer our way of doing it here in MIA and the way they do it also in DFW. When should it reset back to zero would be a different debate.

700UW doesn't think it's fair for a guy like me that it gets reset (Quarterly or end of a bid) Maybe it's not and it should reset yearly instead? But I'm not as greedy as you tried to paint me and would actually even prefer quarterly over our way which makes the reset only 3 times per year rather than 4.

Yes I want "Joe Family Guy" to be able to get a few extra bucks cause he might need it more than me after all.

And NYer try to remember right now there are 50 stations to think about in this conversation, not just one or two.