JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

This is the sound of Tim going to ignore jail.
[Ignore] ......{click sound}

He's on his own Island and Coconuts keep falling out of the trees and bouncing off his head.

 

[cltrat]

the LGA guy is full of chit, CC seniority is a separate list from aagent but it's done by DOH not when you became a CC, hell I'd be at least 25 spots higher if it was

 

[bob@las-AA]

He's on his own Island and Coconuts keep falling out of the trees and bouncing off his head.

https://youtu.be/aVkWE16STeU

 

[Worldport]

 

  
 

the LGA guy is full of chit, CC seniority is a separate list from aagent but it's done by DOH not when you became a CC, hell I'd be at least 25 spots higher if it was

I think it's different for maintenance. You can argue adjusted etc. but I can't think of a more fairer way then hire date. You are an AMT with 30 years you decide to be a lead because that is your right you should have 30 years but that's their fight. I'm glad we MERGED the way we did if we had did it the way Horton wanted I think we LUS would have been screwed

 

[Kev3188]

the LGA guy is full of chit, CC seniority is a separate list from aagent but it's done by DOH not when you became a CC, hell I'd be at least 25 spots higher if it was

I thought US used classification seniority. Are you talking about an initial award to CC?

 

[Worldport]

I'm not saying this guy is completely accurate, much is inaccurate, but here is a Letter writing campaign below:

Gentlemen,

Urgent action is required from all TWU local 591 members!

Recently the TWU/IAM association agreed to hire former NMB arbitrator Joshua M. Javits to create a final integrated seniority list. Mr. Javits sent a letter to the TWU/IAM association asking for the members input on how & why the seniority integration will affect them and any suggestions they may have (see attached files).
I was informed that the IAM membership has already started their email/letter writing campaign on their position to the arbitrator Joshua Javits who was appointed by the TWU/IAM Association. Mr. Javits has given a window for written comments or information regarding the integration of seniority lists by the TWU/IAM Association members for consideration. I urge everyone to send comments so that they are received no later than July 31st, 2016 to;

Attn: Neutral Joshua M. Javits
c/o Guerrieri, Clayman, Bartos & Parcelli, P.C
1900 M Street, N.W, Suite 700
Washington, DC 20036
Or
E-Mail him @ JavitsSeniority@geclaw.com

There are two key seniority points to mention,
1) The IAM company seniority date does not change due to layoff, whereas our AA company date gets adjusted when you are recalled from layoff. Tie breakers for occupational seniority utilizes company seniority. That’s why it’s important to maintain our date of hire (initial company date of hire) for tie breakers when blending the lists. We the TWU members must make it clear to the arbitrator that in order to be on a somewhat level playing field we MUST to the extent that two or more employees have the same date of entry into the classification, placement on the integrated seniority list as to those employees shall be determined by the date of hire for tie breaker application.
2) The IAM has a separate crew chief seniority list (Lead time). Your C/C Seniority at the IAM begins when you first enter the classification (day one), on the other hand with the TWU, when you enter the C/C classification you maintain your occupational seniority date regardless when you enter the C/C Classification. Same goes for TCC & Q/A department! Eliminating separate C/C and Q/C seniority and utilizing what we currently have in our contract is what we want to maintain. Also, in addition to the TWU Crew Chief classification vs the IAM lead time. Example; IAM contract, work 6 months as a mechanic, transfers to PHL and becomes a crew chief for, let's say for 6 months then transfers out to a mechanic position, guess what! He continues to accrue crew chief seniority (lead time) although he doesn't hold the position any longer.
About 30% of the people on the IAM seniority list accrue lead time and only 9% are actually working leads.

I encourage everyone to start emailing or write letters to the
arbitrator and make it very clear that we are by far the larger Airline (4 to 1)
and we want to maintain what we currently have and that our contract language is fair & equitable to all on a level playing field. PLEASE FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO ALL TWU MEMBERS

Thanks
JY
John Young
LGA Station Chairman

4 to 1 because the LAA model has a ridiculous amount of employees. I'm sure that will be adjusted after all is said and done.

 

[Worldport]

I thought US used classification seniority. Are you talking about an initial award to CC?

No with fleet you take your time with you. before we were union we did it by classification once the union came in hire date and no panel. If we did it the old ways they would have to hire leads off the street  no senior  agents would take the job

 

[WeAAsles]

No with fleet you take your time with you. before we were union we did it by classification once the union came in hire date and no panel. If we did it the old ways they would have to hire leads off the street  no senior  agents would take the job

Exactly. I wouldn't throw 21 years down the drain and get stuck back with 4PM, Tue Wed off again.

 

[Worldport]

Exactly. I wouldn't throw 21 years down the drain and get stuck back with 4PM, Tue Wed off again.

Maybe you will see Tues,Wed when MIA goes to rotating days off. That's an idea make rotating days off a system wide vote why should only a couple of stations have it.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Maybe you will see Tues,Wed when MIA goes to rotating days off. That's an idea make rotating days off a system wide vote why should only a couple of stations have it.

You joking?

 

[Worldport]

You joking?

No I'm being spiteful here at LGA  the TWU rotates days off so after 38 years I'll have to rotate days off. What good is seniority? Tim are they back negotiating this week? 

 

[Tim Nelson]

No I'm being spiteful here at LGA  the TWU rotates days off so after 38 years I'll have to rotate days off. What good is seniority? Tim are they back negotiating this week?

Dunno but rotating days off blows. They dont do it in ord, do they do it in mia? These unions suck if your seniority cant get you established days off.

 

[Worldport]

Dunno but rotating days off blows. They dont do it in ord, do they do it in mia? These unions suck if your seniority cant get you established days off.

Only 2 stations have it LGA/JFK and certain jobs have fixed days that's why it seems fishy to me. Should put it up for a system vote. Tim you didn't answer my question are they negotiating this week or does it matter?

 

[WeAAsles]

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling" Our window of opportunity has SLAMED shut and they put up Hurricane shutters.

Oh me, oh my.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sp-500-flirtation-with-record-close-says-bulls-are-punishing-the-bears-2016-07-11?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

 

[Tim Nelson]

Only 2 stations have it LGA/JFK and certain jobs have fixed days that's why it seems fishy to me. Should put it up for a system vote. Tim you didn't answer my question are they negotiating this week or does it matter?

It doesn't matter. We are only going to get what Parker has promised us and gives us, as I have found no evidence that these union persons can get anything other than shuffling around the piece of pie given. Look, the non union peeps upstairs, i.e., 75% of the passenger service peeps, blew by us in record fashion and they were non contract when the association started fire bombing our situation. We are losing $925 a month to the CEA now and have half the stations, and about half the paid days off. It's time for our union persons to stop leaning on Wimpinsinger negotiation 101 basics and just close this thing out and call it a day before they start conceding major crap.

Basically I get nervous anytime our union persons get cute as they always seem to screw things up. Look at United. The bozos have no job protections for anyone below 17 years, no full time protections at all, as much part time as management wants, lousy $400+ health insurance....Oh but the Weasel loves it because he can get his $30 hr and chicks for free, unless weasel has a taste for the south florida Russian ladies as I hear they are gold diggers.