JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Worldport]

It doesn't matter. We are only going to get what Parker has promised us and gives us, as I have found no evidence that these union persons can get anything other than shuffling around the piece of pie given. Look, the non union peeps upstairs, i.e., 75% of the passenger service peeps, blew by us in record fashion and they were non contract when the association started fire bombing our situation. We are losing $925 a month to the CEA now and have half the stations, and about half the paid days off. It's time for our union persons to stop leaning on Wimpinsinger negotiation 101 basics and just close this thing out and call it a day before they start conceding major crap.

Basically I get nervous anytime our union persons get cute as they always seem to screw things up. Look at United. The bozos have no job protections for anyone below 17 years, no full time protections at all, as much part time as management wants, lousy $400+ health insurance....Oh but the Weasel loves it because he can get his $30 hr and chicks for free, unless weasel has a taste for the south florida Russian ladies as I hear they are gold diggers.

The Weez is too smart to fall for a pretty face, I'm not. Tim dividing up the pie is a important part of the contract. Does the company really care how it's divided if it costs the same?

 

[Tim Nelson]

The Weez is too smart to fall for a pretty face, I'm not. Tim dividing up the pie is a important part of the contract. Does the company really care how it's divided if it costs the same?

I doubt the company cares how the 2 dopes want to divide it up. We been burning too much daylight. First the 9 months of Klima's Biatch fit against the TWU to protect his boy Miller. Then 3 months of hem hawing between the 2 unions as they claimed they were "prioritizing and getting to know eachother's proposals'. So, by the time these clowns made it to the table, ALL OTHER employees were already enjoying their big raises and contracts. Yet here we remain. As far as the weasel, I'm not sure if he has any inside person at all, at least nobody from the TWU bothers with him due to his contempt, but he isn't a swami for sure. First he said, May, then August, then September, now late fall. He isn't a great play by play but I hope these union persons can at least read and expedite this thing instead of collecting their per diems, and going to their conventions, and bar tabs. It must be one helluva party!

Peeps want their money, and they will unfortunately vote 95% for anything that comes down the pipe. Won't even be close.

 

[Worldport]

I doubt the company cares how the 2 dopes want to divide it up. We been burning too much daylight. First the 9 months of Klima's Biatch fit against the TWU to protect his boy Miller. Then 3 months of hem hawing between the 2 unions as they claimed they were "prioritizing and getting to know eachother's proposals'. So, by the time these clowns made it to the table, ALL OTHER employees were already enjoying their big raises and contracts. Yet here we remain. As far as the weasel, I'm not sure if he has any inside person at all, at least nobody from the TWU bothers with him due to his contempt, but he isn't a swami for sure. First he said, May, then August, then September, now late fall. He isn't a great play by play but I hope these union persons can at least read and expedite this thing instead of collecting their per diems, and going to their conventions, and bar tabs. It must be one helluva party!

Peeps want their money, and they will unfortunately vote 95% for anything that comes down the pipe. Won't even be close.

The weez is an optimist and is loyal to his union two traits that could be regarded as good but  I'm sure he even has a breaking point funny I'll bet he needs the money more than us. Maybe that's why the union is holding out so long as is being said on another thread to get us to sign anything.

 

[WeAAsles]

The weez is an optimist and is loyal to his union two traits that could be regarded as good but  I'm sure he even has a breaking point funny I'll bet he needs the money more than us. Maybe that's why the union is holding out so long as is being said on another thread to get us to sign anything.

I think I've reached my breaking point Worldport? These Union crackheads (Each with their own team of Professionals with Law, Business, Economic and Labor degrees. A few of those degrees being Masters) have no clue what the hell they're doing. These dolts (crackheads) have a man just itching to be let off his leash and come tear them up. This man has a freakin degree in Theology. He can fire and brimstone up a sermon that would open the keys to the kingdom and get us everything we want. (Who cares if he doesn't even understand his own contract)

But what do these (crackheads) do? They leave this Biblical genius languishing away on a dusty pier in a Bagroom in ORD? That's pure insanity, damn crackheads.

I'm starting a petition. "Put Tim Nelson on the Negotiating committee you crackheads" I don't know one member who won't sign. And we're going to hand deliver it along with 1000 FSC's in DFW. We have busses ready and we're driving.

Damn crackheads are gonna get there's.

 

[Worldport]

I think I've reached my breaking point Worldport? These Union crackheads (Each with their own team of Professionals with Law, Business, Economic and Labor degrees. A few of those degrees being Masters) have no clue what the hell they're doing. These dolts (crackheads) have a man just itching to be let off his leash and come tear them up. This man has a freakin degree in Theology. He can fire and brimstone up a sermon that would open the keys to the kingdom and get us everything we want. (Who cares if he doesn't even understand his own contract)

But what do these (crackheads) do? They leave this Biblical genius languishing away on a dusty pier in a Bagroom in ORD? That's pure insanity, damn crackheads.

I'm starting a petition. "Put Tim Nelson on the Negotiating committee you crackheads" I don't know one member who won't sign. And we're going to hand deliver it along with 1000 FSC's in DFW. We have busses ready and we're driving.

Damn crackheads are gonna get there's.

Wow, not even a shot across the bow.Looks like we are going to get some late fireworks.I'll be an observer on this one don't forget the Geneva convention. The Weez is a Gladiator

 

[Tim Nelson]

The weez is an optimist and is loyal to his union two traits that could be regarded as good but  I'm sure he even has a breaking point funny I'll bet he needs the money more than us. Maybe that's why the union is holding out so long as is being said on another thread to get us to sign anything.

IMO, the weasel is not loyal to his union, only the 3rd party Labor Organization called the IAM. He tossed his TWU Local aside after his bitter defeat after claiming NYer wouldn't win a thing. Fact check showed that NYer had the floor. I like the weasel but I got to know some peeps down in MIA through FB and they pretty much told me that he never shows up for flights and is always blowing up his cell phone. That was disappointing to hear but I still like the guy, I mean I don't have to work with him.

At any rate, we really do have to move on. The key players in our negotiations are highly uneducated, unresearched, and really clueless. This TA should have been wrapped up a long time ago. Each of us already knows what we are getting so what is the fuss?

scope: 12 flights a day [grandfather rights for a half dozen or so current LUS stations that fall below that] -1 . Should be 5 like the CWA. [edit: I'm hearing 15+ flights if the IAM keeps screwing around though.]

Health care: LAA health care. They will prolly toss in a hoodwinker like the CWA playing make believe for the LUS folks into thinking some things will be worked out at a later date. It worked well for the CWA. -1

Wages: $30 Weasel was right about this one, I'll give him points. Not sure if he fades in the distance as he promised though. I hope he sticks around.

Part time Cap: We don't lose it, it shifts to the LAA language.

Retirement: Too close to call. The one thing we know is that the company contribution will be higher in the IAMPF or 401k or some morph of both.

Holidays: 10

Vacation: 5 weeks

Sick time: 12 days

As other posters acknowledge, same as CWA although we can hope for the 6th week. Anything less than the CWA's paid days off will be a direct result of missing the window of opportunity.

Overtime: double time like CWA finally

Shift differ: Yes, restoration.

Profit Sharing: Yes. See Parker

Buyout: $50,000

Signing Bonus: $3,000+ for F/T

And that's the story folks. I could have went in there and resolved all of this in about 30 minutes as we already know this is the piece of pie that Parker gave them. Cripes, he handed more to the non contract peeps but we will get less, as the above indicates.

 

[AANOTOK]

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling" Our window of opportunity has SLAMED shut and they put up Hurricane shutters.

Oh me, oh my.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sp-500-flirtation-with-record-close-says-bulls-are-punishing-the-bears-2016-07-11?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

I have to admit, you do have a little (the number that comes after 699) in you, W.

 

[WeAAsles]

IMO, the weasel is not loyal to his union, only the 3rd party Labor Organization called the IAM. He tossed his TWU Local aside after his bitter defeat after claiming NYer wouldn't win a thing. Fact check showed that NYer had the floor. I like the weasel but I got to know some peeps down in MIA through FB and they pretty much told me that he never shows up for flights and is always blowing up his cell phone. That was disappointing to hear but I still like the guy, I mean I don't have to work with him.At any rate, we really do have to move on. The key players in our negotiations are highly uneducated, unresearched, and really clueless. This TA should have been wrapped up a long time ago. Each of us already knows what we are getting so what is the fuss?scope: 12 flights a day [grandfather rights for a half dozen or so current LUS stations that fall below that] -1 . Should be 5 like the CWA. [edit: I'm hearing 15+ flights if the IAM keeps screwing around though.]Health care: LAA health care. They will prolly toss in a hoodwinker like the CWA playing make believe for the LUS folks into thinking some things will be worked out at a later date. It worked well for the CWA. -1Wages: $30 Weasel was right about this one, I'll give him points. Not sure if he fades in the distance as he promised though. I hope he sticks around.Part time Cap: We don't lose it, it shifts to the LAA language.Retirement: Too close to call. The one thing we know is that the company contribution will be higher in the IAMPF or 401k or some morph of both.Holidays: 10Vacation: 5 weeksSick time: 12 daysAs other posters acknowledge, same as CWA although we can hope for the 6th week.Overtime: double time like CWA finallyShift differ: Yes, restoration.Profit Sharing: Yes. See ParkerAnd that's the story folks. I could have went in there and resolved all of this in about 30 minutes as we already know this is the piece of pie that Parker gave them.

I never knew that the study of Theology was considered a Liberal Arts Degree? My buddy Fred got a Liberal Arts degree in Radio. He now works for Scotts Lawn Care laying down pesticides that he has no clue if they actually work or not.

Tim did you just not finish your studies or something? I mean all those Televangelists with those hot wives raking in Millions and you're humping bags for an Airline?

You couldn't even get a gig in a little Church gettin tipsy on the wine there huh? Too sad bro. Too sad.

http://theologydegreesonline.com

 

[ChockJockey]

Are they taking away LAA flights and putting them on LUS metal? I think they are doing the reverse in PHX

 
They are.  Seeing a lot more 737-800's in PHX now.  Problem is, we don't have the LAA crew or MX base to handle all of them.  If multiple 737's go on MX there are only so many mechs that can attend to them.  If a crewmember times out or calls sick/fatigued they either have to steal someone from another flight, deadhead them in, or cancel it.  So we end up with the 737's sitting for hours, taking up gates which are now at a premium, forcing flights (and thus pax, bags, and our people) to get shuffled around - sometimes multiple times - during the busy FLEX operations.  Lots of flights cancelling the last few days on the LUS side due to lack of pilots, nobody seems to know why.
 
People are tired.  When it comes to negotiations there's so much finger pointing and tongue wagging I don't even know who to be angry at anymore, don't really care that much either and I don't feel like spinning my wheels trying to figure it out.
 
I get paid whether the flights go out on time or not.  Do my 40, clock out, live my life.  Until we have joint contracts in place, AA coming close to DL's performance metrics is a pipe dream.  Would love to help make this a real world-class airline, but until the company gets serious about compensation I'm not going to keep banging my head against a wall.

 

[WeAAsles]

I have to admit, you do have a little (the number that comes after 699) in you, W.

I prefer 666 actually. Iron Maiden man.

http://youtu.be/WxnN05vOuSM

 

[Other People]

IMO, the weasel is not loyal to his union, only the 3rd party Labor Organization called the IAM. He tossed his TWU Local aside after his bitter defeat after claiming NYer wouldn't win a thing. Fact check showed that NYer had the floor. I like the weasel but I got to know some peeps down in MIA through FB and they pretty much told me that he never shows up for flights and is always blowing up his cell phone. That was disappointing to hear but I still like the guy, I mean I don't have to work with him.

At any rate, we really do have to move on. The key players in our negotiations are highly uneducated, unresearched, and really clueless. This TA should have been wrapped up a long time ago. Each of us already knows what we are getting so what is the fuss?

scope: 12 flights a day [grandfather rights for a half dozen or so current LUS stations that fall below that] -1 . Should be 5 like the CWA. [edit: I'm hearing 15+ flights if the IAM keeps screwing around though.]

Health care: LAA health care. They will prolly toss in a hoodwinker like the CWA playing make believe for the LUS folks into thinking some things will be worked out at a later date. It worked well for the CWA. -1

Wages: $30 Weasel was right about this one, I'll give him points. Not sure if he fades in the distance as he promised though. I hope he sticks around.

Part time Cap: We don't lose it, it shifts to the LAA language.

Retirement: Too close to call. The one thing we know is that the company contribution will be higher in the IAMPF or 401k or some morph of both.

Holidays: 10

Vacation: 5 weeks

Sick time: 12 days

As other posters acknowledge, same as CWA although we can hope for the 6th week. Anything less than the CWA's paid days off will be a direct result of missing the window of opportunity.

Overtime: double time like CWA finally

Shift differ: Yes, restoration.

Profit Sharing: Yes. See Parker

Buyout: $50,000

Signing Bonus: $3,000+ for F/T

And that's the story folks. I could have went in there and resolved all of this in about 30 minutes as we already know this is the piece of pie that Parker gave them. Cripes, he handed more to the non contract peeps but we will get less, as the above indicates.

I think you are right about what you posted although we have never received a bonus of anything more than $1,500. I'd prefer keeping less sick time if that meant that we could actually use it without getting written up. Not sure about you figuring that we will move over to LAA health care, I think the ta will have health care that splits the difference. Why should we give up our health care that has survived 2 bankruptcies? You didn't mention the duty functions? I think Catering stays, along with everything else, but nothing else is gained. Time will tell but I agree with you that they need to wrap things up.

 

[WeAAsles]

I think you are right about what you posted although we have never received a bonus of anything more than $1,500. I'd prefer keeping less sick time if that meant that we could actually use it without getting written up. Not sure about you figuring that we will move over to LAA health care, I think the ta will have health care that splits the difference. Why should we give up our health care that has survived 2 bankruptcies? You didn't mention the duty functions? I think Catering stays, along with everything else, but nothing else is gained. Time will tell but I agree with you that they need to wrap things up.

It's always nice when Tim either agrees or argues with himself.

You go Sybil.

Regards
Josh

 

[Other People]

I never knew that the study of Theology was considered a Liberal Arts Degree? My buddy Fred got a Liberal Arts degree in Radio. He now works for Scotts Lawn Care laying down pesticides that he has no clue if they actually work or not.

Tim did you just not finish your studies or something? I mean all those Televangelists with those hot wives raking in Millions and you're humping bags for an Airline?

You couldn't even get a gig in a little Church gettin tipsy on the wine there huh? Too sad bro. Too sad.

http://theologydegreesonline.com

I think the theology degree was started by 700. Tim got a college degree in business, then his grad degree was in something other than theology, if I remember correctly.

 

[Other People]

It's always nice when Tim either agrees or argues with himself.

You go Sybil.

Regards
Josh

You do have a lot of 700 in you. If anyone questions you or agrees with Tim on anything, even partially, you start your bullying and name calling.

 

[Worldport]

 
They are.  Seeing a lot more 737-800's in PHX now.  Problem is, we don't have the LAA crew or MX base to handle all of them.  If multiple 737's go on MX there are only so many mechs that can attend to them.  If a crewmember times out or calls sick/fatigued they either have to steal someone from another flight, deadhead them in, or cancel it.  So we end up with the 737's sitting for hours, taking up gates which are now at a premium, forcing flights (and thus pax, bags, and our people) to get shuffled around - sometimes multiple times - during the busy FLEX operations.  Lots of flights cancelling the last few days on the LUS side due to lack of pilots, nobody seems to know why.
 
People are tired.  When it comes to negotiations there's so much finger pointing and tongue wagging I don't even know who to be angry at anymore, don't really care that much either and I don't feel like spinning my wheels trying to figure it out.
 
I get paid whether the flights go out on time or not.  Do my 40, clock out, live my life.  Until we have joint contracts in place, AA coming close to DL's performance metrics is a pipe dream.  Would love to help make this a real world-class airline, but until the company gets serious about compensation I'm not going to keep banging my head against a wall.

 Yeah if the company is holding things up they are missing an opportunity for a motivated workforce . I think the union is responsible for the hold up too. Guess PHX will be a 737 base down the road
LAA has younger flight attendants so that's something you can look forward to