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On 4/10/2003 2:40:07 PM retread wrote:
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On 4/10/2003 9:08:35 AM DHC8Driver wrote:
retread wrote:
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When you kneel you know what you can kiss. The WO were offered the J4J program remember! However, the greed got the best of you because you wanted our RJS without our pilots. You could of had half of them. We had a scope that protected us from this crap.
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Once again you show your complete ingorance of any facts concerning J4J's.
All 3 WO's ratified and agreed to J4J's long ago. PDT agreed to J4J's about last July or Aug, before Airways went into bankruptcy. There was no greed as you contend, we ratifed what Mainline ALPA/U management demanded.
You say "we could have had half of them", half of them what?
Do you see any jets at the WO? NO, Any orders or even talk of getting any in the future? No... And if we do get all these great jets that are supposedly going to save USAir, we get the privelege of having 50% of our pilots end up on the street. So there is lots of pain and "unfairness" to go around and that is the aviation industry since deregulation.
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Wrong,at first you guys refused any part of J4J . You thought you should get them all. It wasnt until Dave said the heck with you and started working a deal with the Subs. Why dont you get your facts right before you spew.Why are you guys so mad at the Subs? Is it because they are getting the jets and some of your routes? Kind of like what the WO and Subs have been doing to ML for years. Why dont you ask Dave why the WO are not flying jets. Like I said the RJS (Replacement Jets) should be flown by the pilots who paid for them. Spin it any way you like, you want to fly our jets. A legal way to scab.
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retread,
Your lost. I lose I.Q. points just reading your garbage. Of course we refused J4J, no one in their right mind would ever accept it. Unfortunately the PSA MEC is just as clueless and weak as you and accepted it on our behalf "without" membership ratification. Before you start telling others to get the facts straight, you might want to try taking your own advice because all contract carriers turned it down the first time around.
We were trying to get our MEC to not accept J4J because you have absolutly no right to fly anything for US Airways Express just like you would'nt let us come to Mainline unrestricted, let alone come here and be a Capt. out of seniority. That just takes pure balls. You had the opportunity when a flowthrough was written up, but you turned it down. We should not have to pay for your "lack of vision".(get to know that term)
U was living in the dark ages compared to other airlines with substantial RJ feed. Those RJ's belong at the Express levels to feed Mainline, if Mainline would ever pull its head out of its arse and use a 73 like its supposed to. Not flying PIT to CRW all day long, but I'm sure you were OK with that, huh? Your original fight should have been for better Mgt. Not people that run from competion, someone who eats it up. I agree with the one person in another post that said all flying should be done by one company and one list, but once again the term "lack of vision" comes to mind.
The WO's took nothing from mainline. We did not underbid you in anyway. If we did I'm sure I would be flying a nice shiny Airbus for regional pay. So since I'm not, I can't imagine how you think the WO's (who's promary purpose is to FEED mainline) took anything from you. If there's any taking going on, its from outside the Group because your MEC is more than happy to show support for those on the outside of the Group. And lets not leave Mgt. out of this who to this day is more than happy not to grow the company, but to try and shrink itself into making money. Which we still haven't done yet.
So here we are the WO pilots trying to get the mainline to come together and realize that the US Airways Group is made up of many different airlines trying to do one thing. Keep it in the family. And then there are those like you with, whats the term?, LACK OF VISION.
Oh but wait, I'm sorry I'm starting to forget my place. I'm a scab to you, huh? Well I've got one that would fit you pretty good. Let's try scumbag. I mean who else would come up with an agreement that would purposely circumvent their own Group pilots CBA. A Scumbag who Lacks Vision, thats who.
In closing to all others, I'll gladly fly next to someone who comes to PSA through J4Js, but this deal could have and should have been done in a much different way with the end result being One company and One list. The coming years will not be happy ones.