July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Ames]

But ahead of 1,100 East Furloughs (at the expense of the East. If it weren't for all those resignations there wouldn't yet be any hiring going on.) ... and they are now on the East list with obvious great benefit (at the expense of the West). Gee, its a good thing they didn't get DOH (that would have been such a bad thing). Actually, if ALAP was in charge they would have had to apply and hope to get an interview.

I can't make any sense out of this response. AWA pilots who chose to go east are behind third listers, thus they are behind the formerly furloughed east pilots. I don't know who alap is and your sarcasm about DOH is lost on me.

 

[Ames]

Thank you Ames for pointing that out. I'm sure I missed them on the other 4 mergers.

Driver...

I just answered someone else's question. No need to be snarky.

 

[A320 Driver]

I just answered someone else's question. No need to be snarky.

You're right, sorry...

 

[nic4us]

Reality is for those who lack imagination”

I will never put MM on an ignore list and risk missing gems like this!!!

But I can't figure out from the after quatation mark, but lacking the first, if he is quoting someone else or what?

 

[nic4us]

You are clueless as usual. There were many paths we could have taken after the Nic came out. You saw one path, accept the Nic, get a joint contract get your windfall and move on. The majority of the east didn't. Those paths lead to two very different conclusions even if we end up using the Nicolau award in the end. It led to different people in different seats. It changed plans for moves. It kept people commuting and it cost both sides money that will never be replaced. It's not the same result. Alternatives.

You lost me when you called the Nic a windfall.

The east benefitted more from the merger...then stole even more by scabbing jobs..

Had an enhanced placement on the Nic...but wish to renege and steal some more...

and you call the Nic a windfall for the West?


yeah old Nicolau must of been off his rocker...allowing West pilots to only lose slightly and not just giving their jobs to the east scabs who now attempt to steal them, and have been succesful in their scab attempt to the bottom of the West list.

 

[EastCheats]

I will never put MM on an ignore list and risk missing gems like this!!!

But I can't figure out from the after quatation mark, but lacking the first, if he is quoting someone else or what?

M&M is such an easy target, he's hard to ignore.

 

[A320 Driver]

You lost me when you called the Nic a windfall.

The east benefitted more from the merger...then stole even more by scabbing jobs..

Had an enhanced placement on the Nic...but wish to renege and steal some more...

and you call the Nic a windfall for the West?


yeah old Nicolau must of been off his rocker...allowing West pilots to only lose slightly and not just giving their jobs to the east scabs who now attempt to steal them, and have been succesful in their scab attempt to the bottom of the West list.

I really don't understand this talk about scabbing and stealing jobs. Management had to shut down LAS because it was bleeding money. They moved all of you to PHX where today, much of your flying is actually East flying, but it keeps you above minimum fleet count. You are getting as much benefit as anyone out of this merger. I suppose it depends how you look at it, but that is my take on it. If I'm wrong, show me the numbers and show me where the West generated all that flying, ON IT'S OWN, to replace what was lost.

This is a serious question and NOT flamebait.

Driver...

 

[traderjake]

You are clueless as usual. There were many paths we could have taken after the Nic came out.

In other words you wanted to negotiate after we lost the arbitration instead of before.

 

[Pi brat]

You lost me when you called the Nic a windfall.

The east benefitted more from the merger...then stole even more by scabbing jobs..

Had an enhanced placement on the Nic...but wish to renege and steal some more...

and you call the Nic a windfall for the West?


yeah old Nicolau must of been off his rocker...allowing West pilots to only lose slightly and not just giving their jobs to the east scabs who now attempt to steal them, and have been succesful in their scab attempt to the bottom of the West list.

STFU with the stealing.

I called it a windfall to piss clear off.

 

[Pi brat]

In other words you wanted to negotiate after we lost the arbitration instead of before.

Can you keep up?

 

[cleardirect]

You are clueless as usual. There were many paths we could have taken after the Nic came out. You saw one path, accept the Nic, get a joint contract get your windfall and move on. The majority of the east didn't. Those paths lead to two very different conclusions even if we end up using the Nicolau award in the end. It led to different people in different seats. It changed plans for moves. It kept people commuting and it cost both sides money that will never be replaced. It's not the same result. Alternatives.

Your belief is that final and binding arbitration is not intended to really be FINAL AND BINDING but to somehow offer alternatives to the FINAL decision.

How do you explain the term final and binding?

I am glad to see that you have finally admitted that the east action has caused harm and been unfair. That the east action has taken the benefits of this merger that should have been shared with the west for yourselves.

 

[traderjake]

Do us a favor and switch sides to management. Bean

MM is on managements side, he just doesn't realize it.

He's fought for five years to keep us on LOA 93.

 

[A320 Driver]

Your belief is that final and binding arbitration is not intended to really be FINAL AND BINDING but to somehow offer alternatives to the FINAL decision.

How do you explain the term final and binding?

I am glad to see that you have finally admitted that the east action has caused harm and been unfair. That the east action has taken the benefits of this merger that should have been shared with the west for yourselves.

We're both at minimum fleet count, we've had two bases close to your one, and there have been little to no retirements over the last 5 years. What benefit is it that you would like to share?

Driver...

 

[Pi brat]

Your belief is that final and binding arbitration is not intended to really be FINAL AND BINDING but to somehow offer alternatives to the FINAL decision.

How do you explain the term final and binding?

I am glad to see that you have finally admitted that the east action has caused harm and been unfair. That the east action has taken the benefits of this merger that should have been shared with the west for yourselves.

When does final and binding happen? Paul believed Christ was coming soon, a couple thousand years later we are still waiting. Do you have finsl and binding 5 years later?

Finally? You don't keep up any better than trader. I've said repeatedly that I disagreed with the east's actions. I thought it would fail. I'm just stating what has happened and what you could see if you pull your head out if your rear.

 

[Move2CLT]

When does final and binding happen? Paul believed Christ was coming soon, a couple thousand years later we are still waiting. Do you have finsl and binding 5 years later?

Finally? You don't keep up any better than trader. I've said repeatedly that I disagreed with the east's actions. I thought it would fail. I'm just stating what has happened and what you could see if you pull your head out if your rear.

Man you've gone into idiot mode.