July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[BoeingBoy]

Unless it was Empire, and then when the F28 left, they went on the bottom. Hypocrite.

Idiot...

 

[luvthe9]

Just checking in from the beach, I see nothing new. Have a nice July kids

 

[BoeingBoy]

I figure I'm right.

Figures don't lie but liars figure....

Jim

 

[luvthe9]

Idiot...

Wait Jim, that was true. You did put them on the bottom. You put them on a temporary spot where you knew once the F28 left, they were screwed. You are a hypocrite. You knew that was going to change shortly, and that was not a permanent position. Unbelievable deceit in light of what you say now.

 

[traderjake]

Idiot...

You're insulting all the idiots of the world with that remark.

 

[traderjake]

Just checking in from the beach, I see nothing new. Have a nice July kids

Is that avatar you?

You might want to cut back on the pool side beer.

 

[Pi brat]

Only because of the chartacter of the majority of the East.

The remark made a valid point.

No, it didn't. It's the same old crap that has gone back and forth for years. Give me an original idea or sit back and watch.

 

[traderjake]

No, it didn't. It's the same old crap that has gone back and forth for years. Give me an original idea or sit back and watch.

Yes it did and it's as valid now as it was 5 years ago.

It's not OK to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration because you don't like the result.

 

[Pi brat]

Yes it did and it's as valid now as it was 5 years ago.

It's not OK to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration because you don't like the result.

We got it the first 5000 times. We got. Obviously you gave changed no positions. How about something new?

 

[Pi brat]

Figures don't lie but liars figure....

Jim

Like when you said recent bids have had similar 190 positions?

 

[traderjake]

We got it the first 5000 times. We got. Obviously you gave changed no positions. How about something new?

You're the one who has 5000 posts, not me.

 

[EastUS1]

It's not OK to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration because you don't like the result.

The argument here, imo, seems to be that all, even as individuals, were/are somehow "honor bound" to just go along with being merely enslaved, but loyal serfs to whatever alpa's latest and ever-changing insanity was....which makes absolutely NO sense to me whatsoever, on ANY moral or philosophical basis that can be found...or even imagined.

Were the radical and incredibly flippant changes, (made clearly for the appeasement of UAL and perhaps others), to alpa's laughable excuse for a most mutable "merger policy" EVER "mutually agreed upon" by ANY of us at the line level? If you believe so; show me where my signature was placed?..Or even my vote EVER cast? Did ANY of us ever even have a vote in that politically expedient insanity?....NO? OK then; Show me where I, or ANY of us, east or west, personally made any "mutually agreed" upon contract to have a select few incompetents, and with them, the whims of a solo arbitrator, determine the entire issue in the first place?

For me this is hardly any issue of moral decrepitude by way of "reneging", but indeed a case where I'd be fully guilty of demonstrating complete moral failure by NOT fighting this imposed insanity.

I respect that you honestly hold an entirely opposite viewpoint, and feel your beliefs to be equally correct. I offer the above to show that none of us have any universally accepted view on any of this. Were it the happy case that we did...well...we wouldn't have any of this mess to deal with in the first place 😉

 

[BoeingBoy]

Wait Jim, that was true. You did put them on the bottom.

Care to provide some, any, proof that I personally put them on the bottom?

You put them on a temporary spot where you knew once the F28 left, they were screwed.

Again, do you have the smallest shred of evidence that I personally did or knew that?

You are a hypocrite.

Without any proof, you're just a liar.

You knew that was going to change shortly, and that was not a permanent position. Unbelievable deceit in light of what you say now.

Again, proof. Seems your "deceit" charge is like everything else you say - lies.

Jim

 

[traderjake]

The argument here, imo, seems to be that all, even as individuals, were/are somehow "honor bound" to just go along with being merely enslaved serfs to whatever alpa's latest, and ever-changing insanity was....which makes absolutely NO sense to me whatsoever, on ANY moral or philosophical basis that can be found...or even imagined.

Here's the problem with what you're trying to say. The award used fundamentally the same methodology as the one before it and the two after it. The only insanity that exists here is in the minds of some East pilots.

Longevity is not seniority. I've used this example a dozen times to prove it. If you were the last pilot hired for 10 years are you anymore senior at year 10 than year 1? The answer is no, you're still the junior pilot after 10 years. You have no more seniority than you did at year 1.

If you want to fight the award, fine, but don't insult me or yourself by saying it's because of principle.

Four seniority arbitrations in a row proves that it's not.

 

[EastUS1]

The award used fundamentally the same methodology as the one before it and the two after it.

So? How does that have ANYTHING to do with what's morally right? Is it your contention that personal principles should be merely products of changeable social fashions?