July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

What all you compass types need to understand is you work for America West Airlines. The Tempe types have never paid a decent wage and never will. We all know you want your raises and would accept anything to get them. We got the memo a long time ago. Cleary told me one time this group was not ready for a guy like him. Boy was he right! Don't worry Compass supporters you have some of the most dishonest guys leading you to the promise land.
Hatehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro

HATE2, Did you see this video of Compass types and HUMMEL! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro

 

[luvthe9]

I was thinking more along these lines. http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3248619801/

 

[Beancounter]

You know, you guys get on here and complain about division and not supporting the union, then turn right around and go off on the current leadership. You talk about how great Cleary was, but instead of rallying the troops he proved to be the most divisive leader I've ever seen.

Bean

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

You know, you guys get on here and complain about division and not supporting the union, then turn right around and go off on the current leadership. You talk about how great Cleary was, but instead of rallying the troops he proved to be the most divisive leader I've ever seen.

Bean

You don't get out much do you?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I was thinking more along these lines. http://www.imdb.com/...y/vi3248619801/

Now that's funny right there!

 

[Beancounter]

You don't get out much do you?

No I get it, guys like you worship Cleary because he managed to keep separate ops. Your perfectly content to be under the worst contract in the industry. That's good, because your hallowed leader took the worst possible path to get here.

Besides, if one of us didn't get out enough it would be you with almost 2000 posts 🙄

Bean

 

[Hate2fly]

Bean,
The compass crowd hated that Cleary was elected by the majority. They lost and never got over it. None of them could get elected so they get a prior management pilot to run. What a joke! For three years the compass crowd dropped grenades on Cleary and Mowery. The compass boys are the most dishonest guys around. I am embarrassed to say I was friends with most of them at one time. I have zero respect for them. They have told so many lies.
Hate

 

[cleardirect]

It has always been so interesting how the average US East pilot turns on its' MEC or BBR leaders without fail. Without really knowing them, or what they do. I think this explains entirely why the East group always fails to achieve a decent contract, and takes excessive concessions when compared to the rest of the industry. It is no coincidence whatsoever. I will bet you 99% of the critics never did one iota of work for their fellow pilots, or did anything more than run scared when any management said merely BOO! Led by the biggest scared pilot USA320. The biggest and most easily frightened of them all. How this group gives this person an ear amazes me. If you look into his record, you will find a host of issues. There are nothing but biased opinions. Entirely.
I do admire the cohesion of the West group. They are entirely more organized than the East, and work together. I will bet 9 of 10 East poster here voted themselves LOA 93 without understanding what they were doing.
I do not know what Cleary did, or did not do with his vacation.

You wonder why people listen to CM? Seriously.

If the MEC or BPR was honest and put out valid updates and kept the membership informed instead of half truths and BS, CM would not have an audience.

Do you guys really believe the company or is it the union that scares pilots?

The only good thing a merger would do for us is the east would never be in charge of anything union ever again.

 

[cleardirect]

Bean,
The compass crowd hated that Cleary was elected by the majority. They lost and never got over it. None of them could get elected so they get a prior management pilot to run. What a joke! For three years the compass crowd dropped grenades on Cleary and Mowery. The compass boys are the most dishonest guys around. I am embarrassed to say I was friends with most of them at one time. I have zero respect for them. They have told so many lies.
Hate

So now the other guys got voted in by the majority. Now you are pissed. Turn about is fair play. It was Cleary and mowerythat lied to you. It is just the other sides time now.

Why is it you east guy believe or follow any union leadership?

You tells us how ALPA screwed you for so many years but still followed them blindly.

 

[N924PS]

The compass boys are the most dishonest guys around. I am embarrassed to say I was friends with most of them at one time. I have zero respect for them. They have told so many lies.
Hate

But when Rowe and Ciabattoni as Captain and F/O Rep of PHL Council 41 were censured by ALPA and had the Council placed in receivership you thought they were cult heroes.........

I would believe anything either of these guys said over Cleary and Mowrey any day of the week plus Saturday and Sunday.

 

[Pi brat]

It has always been so interesting how the average US East pilot turns on its' MEC or BBR leaders without fail.

It is interesting. Like how when I sent Mike an email at the end of his term thanking him for his time and wishing him well despite our major differences he proceeded to tell me how stupid Hummel was and what a disaster it was that he was elected. That kind of turning?

The vacation issue is not turning on a leader as Cleary is no longer our leader, thank God. What I read and want to know about is the line in the BPR meeting email about DEVIATING from the UOM to pay Mike for his vacation. Why? Why didn't he take it like the line pilots have to? We pay the bill, we have the right to ask. It may be simple and there may be a good reason he didn't and he should be paid, but when everyone starts screaming when a question is asked it makes me wonder.

I sent an email to my rep, expressed an opinion and am waiting to hear the outcome. Maybe we all should.

 

[Hate2fly]

Clear,
Pissed no way. This group deserves everything they get! The Cleary crowd is just watching in the stands. Unlike the compass types!
Hate

 

[BoeingBoy]

The Cleary crowd is just watching in the stands. Unlike the compass types!
Hate

And the CC crowd could say the same about Cleary's time in office And really neither side can do anything else since Cleary got you enjoined and parked...

Jim

 

[Hate2fly]

Pi brat,
Like when Cleary's young daughter received a letter in the mail telling her what a bad man her father is. Nice guys! You have know idea the BS those guys produced. Fake emails to lawyers. Nice. Constant BS for three years. Everything is wonderful now that we have new leadership. Company is happy. Compass boys are happy. Chipp's group is happy. West pilots are happy. So what is the problem? You have it all so make the best of it.
Hate

 

[Pi brat]

Pi brat,
Like when Cleary's young daughter received a letter in the mail telling her what a bad man her father is. Nice guys! You have know idea the BS those guys produced. Fake emails to lawyers. Nice. Constant BS for three years. Everything is wonderful now that we have new leadership. Company is happy. Compass boys are happy. Chipp's group is happy. West pilots are happy. So what is the problem? You have it all so make the best of it.
Hate

Yep, we all have to make the best of it because our hands are tied!

Totally fractured pilot group
C18-Failure
NY case-Failure
On board-Failure

And the Granddaddy of all-INJUNCTION

Oh yeah, bring back the good old days!