July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

Did he say something about Kasher will pay?

You didn't hear?

 

[CallawayGolf]

You didn't hear?

Missed it PI. Give us the summary please.

 

[Phoenix]

Anybody catch Parker's comments on the whining about the PHX base size during the state of the airline broadcast?

Was he wearing a yellow, vinyl raincoat?

 

[luvthe9]

Gary Hummel is negotiating directly with management and the APA to rush us to a MOU term sheet by August 8, 2010. He just fired Paul Diorio and inserted John Owens (who has no contract knowledge or negotiating experience) on the NAC. The previous pass was not sent to the NAC for over 48 hours but went from Scott Kirby to Gary to Dave Ciabattonni, John Owens, and Brian O' Dwyer with specific intstructions from the President NOT to forward to the NAC. This is clearly a violation of the Constitution and Bylaws and UOM and Gary is now empowered to do whatever he wants by a 6-5 majority that is clueless....

WE are about to be handed a Gary Hummel deal without correct input or oversight and your NAC is now unchaired. Dean Collello is contemplating resigning and that leaves Owens....a dangerous interjection due to his lack of knowledge and experience...2 west members Ken Holmes who is smart and capable, Rocky Calavari who is also smart and appears to be a good guy......... We are about to get dealt a cram down MOU that gives away your scope provisions with minimum and all this was done against legal advice and input.......

BOHICA boys............RECALL GARY "GIVE AWAY" HUMMEL NOW!!!! Transparency yea right.

 

[Pi brat]

Missed it PI. Give us the summary please.

Just yanking clear's chain on the "hearing" since he mentioned Kasher.

They asked a question about why the flying has shrunk so much in PHX and couldn't it be more fairly distributed. Paker said that the flying was done where the demand was, within the limits of the contracts. That PHX suffered more and there was more demand on the east coast. He mentioned Captain Gay, who asked an earlier question about getting a water fountain fixed, and that if you looked at his schedule it would be odd and unproductive as the flying is being forced in PHX instead of where they would like to put it. Best I can remember. I think they post a recording of it on wings.

 

[Pi brat]

Gary Hummel is negotiating directly with management and the APA to rush us to a MOU term sheet by August 8, 2010. He just fired Paul Diorio and inserted John Owens (who has no contract knowledge or negotiating experience) on the NAC. The previous pass was not sent to the NAC for over 48 hours but went from Scott Kirby to Gary to Dave Ciabattonni, John Owens, and Brian O' Dwyer with specific intstructions from the President to forward to the NAC. This is clearly a violation of the Constitution and Bylaws and UOM and Gary is now empowered to do whatever he wants by a 6-5 majority that is clueless....

WE are about to be handed a Gary Hummel deal without correct input or oversight and your NAC is now unchaired. Dean Collello is contemplating resigning and that leaves Owens....a dangerous interjection due to his lack of knowledge and experience...2 west members Ken Holmes who is smart and capable, Rocky Calavari who is also smart and appears to be a good guy......... We are about to get dealt a cram down MOU that gives away your scope provisions with minimum and all this was done against legal advice and input.......

BOHICA boys............RECALL GARY "GIVE AWAY" HUMMEL NOW!!!!

I'm confused. Did Hummel put Owens on the NAC, or did they BPR vote to put him on?

 

[luvthe9]

I'm confused. Did Hummel put Owens on the NAC, or did they BPR vote to put him on?

Pi, I'm not sure you fully understand how things are working right now. I told you in the PM what was coming, this is just the start this group is pure scum, going behind the pilots back. PHX, DCA and Weidner are the BPR, do you get it, they are in Hummels back pocket the way Hummel is in Parkers back pocket. They knew all this was going on and did nothing. You think losing the pension was bad I can't wait for this one, and then the best line ever, "well boys we did the best we could do" wait and see what weak leadership does. Remember Hummel and the compass correction boys don't care about the junior pilots here.

 

[Pi brat]

Pi, I'm not sure you fully understand how things are working right now.

It was a simple question. Hummel or BPR.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Pi, I'm not sure you fully understand how things are working right now.

How is it any different than when Cleary or Bradford ignoring the CBLs and BPR to get things done their way when they were in charge. It's an east-run organization and you expect them to follow the rules? LOL.

 

[luvthe9]

Negotiating Committee - neutered.

This was started in a motion in today's meeting by a west Rep and seconded by DCA Rep Joe Stein. Two PHL Reps and the CLT Reps walked out of the meeting because this was done against the rules.

Why was this done? Let me explain. Gary Hummel has been in secret negotiations with Parker, Kirby and the APA. He has not told the negotiating committee nor the BPR and in fact, no one know what he is negotiating.

I was told that the Kirby came to Hummel and said, "Get rid of DiOrio." Can you imagine if we told the company to, "Get rid of Jerry Glass" what the company would tell us?

In fact, why didn't we tell the company that if you want us to remove DiOrio, you remove Glass? That would be negotiating. Instead, we are just doing what we are told. Why did they want DiOrio out of there? Because he is taking a tough stance to make sure we don't bear the brunt of this merger - that we don't once again pay for our own demise! Kirby is now running USAPA!

The next point. Why is Hummel negotiating behind our backs? Show me where that is in our By-laws or Constitution. The BPR now knows this is occurring, but because the west and DCA votes as a block with Jamie Weidner rubber stamping everything he is told to rubber stamp, we have a situation where our President is knowingly disregards the rules and no one will stop him. So much for the argument that Steve Bradford would never allow USAPA to degenerate into another ALPA.

You all need to make some noise. You need to contact your reps and our officers. We are being sold down the river. The scope clause will gut this airline and it will be the US Airways pilots that will take the hit. No wonder the APA is so excited. They get a pay raise and we get 190's. They understand it. Hummel is working it and no one is willing to stop it.

This is important and it's your future. It's not just about the money. That was dangled in front of us to distract us from the real issues. We will never see those pay rates because we won't be flying those planes.

 

[cleardirect]

Gary Hummel is negotiating directly with management and the APA to rush us to a MOU term sheet by August 8, 2010. He just fired Paul Diorio and inserted John Owens (who has no contract knowledge or negotiating experience) on the NAC. The previous pass was not sent to the NAC for over 48 hours but went from Scott Kirby to Gary to Dave Ciabattonni, John Owens, and Brian O' Dwyer with specific intstructions from the President NOT to forward to the NAC. This is clearly a violation of the Constitution and Bylaws and UOM and Gary is now empowered to do whatever he wants by a 6-5 majority that is clueless....

WE are about to be handed a Gary Hummel deal without correct input or oversight and your NAC is now unchaired. Dean Collello is contemplating resigning and that leaves Owens....a dangerous interjection due to his lack of knowledge and experience...2 west members Ken Holmes who is smart and capable, Rocky Calavari who is also smart and appears to be a good guy......... We are about to get dealt a cram down MOU that gives away your scope provisions with minimum and all this was done against legal advice and input.......

BOHICA boys............RECALL GARY "GIVE AWAY" HUMMEL NOW!!!! Transparency yea right.

So now a majority is a bad thing?

When Cleary and his boys had a 6-5 win it was good. Now it is bad?

So what if Colello quits. What has he or DiOrio done in the last 4 years? How much negotiation experience did either of these guys have before getting on the NAC?

That would be none. Your argument falls short.

Too bad you Cleary supporters are out of power. Don't like it do you. But you know how you guys live.

MAJORITY RULES. They must be right, right.

 

[Beancounter]

Negotiating Committee - neutered.

This was started in a motion in today's meeting by a west Rep and seconded by DCA Rep Joe Stein. Two PHL Reps and the CLT Reps walked out of the meeting because this was done against the rules.

Why was this done? Let me explain. Gary Hummel has been in secret negotiations with Parker, Kirby and the APA. He has not told the negotiating committee nor the BPR and in fact, no one know what he is negotiating.

I was told that the Kirby came to Hummel and said, "Get rid of DiOrio." Can you imagine if we told the company to, "Get rid of Jerry Glass" what the company would tell us?

In fact, why didn't we tell the company that if you want us to remove DiOrio, you remove Glass? That would be negotiating. Instead, we are just doing what we are told. Why did they want DiOrio out of there? Because he is taking a tough stance to make sure we don't bear the brunt of this merger - that we don't once again pay for our own demise! Kirby is now running USAPA!

The next point. Why is Hummel negotiating behind our backs? Show me where that is in our By-laws or Constitution. The BPR now knows this is occurring, but because the west and DCA votes as a block with Jamie Weidner rubber stamping everything he is told to rubber stamp, we have a situation where our President is knowingly disregards the rules and no one will stop him. So much for the argument that Steve Bradford would never allow USAPA to degenerate into another ALPA.

You all need to make some noise. You need to contact your reps and our officers. We are being sold down the river. The scope clause will gut this airline and it will be the US Airways pilots that will take the hit. No wonder the APA is so excited. They get a pay raise and we get 190's. They understand it. Hummel is working it and no one is willing to stop it.

This is important and it's your future. It's not just about the money. That was dangled in front of us to distract us from the real issues. We will never see those pay rates because we won't be flying those planes.

You guys didn't want a westie in there. What's the alternative, a Cleary protégé and his band of rump rangers? No thanks.

Bean

 

[cleardirect]

Negotiating Committee - neutered.

This was started in a motion in today's meeting by a west Rep and seconded by DCA Rep Joe Stein. Two PHL Reps and the CLT Reps walked out of the meeting because this was done against the rules.

Why was this done? Let me explain. Gary Hummel has been in secret negotiations with Parker, Kirby and the APA. He has not told the negotiating committee nor the BPR and in fact, no one know what he is negotiating.

I was told that the Kirby came to Hummel and said, "Get rid of DiOrio." Can you imagine if we told the company to, "Get rid of Jerry Glass" what the company would tell us?

In fact, why didn't we tell the company that if you want us to remove DiOrio, you remove Glass? That would be negotiating. Instead, we are just doing what we are told. Why did they want DiOrio out of there? Because he is taking a tough stance to make sure we don't bear the brunt of this merger - that we don't once again pay for our own demise! Kirby is now running USAPA!

The next point. Why is Hummel negotiating behind our backs? Show me where that is in our By-laws or Constitution. The BPR now knows this is occurring, but because the west and DCA votes as a block with Jamie Weidner rubber stamping everything he is told to rubber stamp, we have a situation where our President is knowingly disregards the rules and no one will stop him. So much for the argument that Steve Bradford would never allow USAPA to degenerate into another ALPA.

You all need to make some noise. You need to contact your reps and our officers. We are being sold down the river. The scope clause will gut this airline and it will be the US Airways pilots that will take the hit. No wonder the APA is so excited. They get a pay raise and we get 190's. They understand it. Hummel is working it and no one is willing to stop it.

This is important and it's your future. It's not just about the money. That was dangled in front of us to distract us from the real issues. We will never see those pay rates because we won't be flying those planes.

Oh let me shed a tear for you you poor guys.

All I can say is welcome to the party. When Cleary was violating the rules. Going behind the BPR's back. Filing law suits without permission you guys were right behind him. When the vote was 6-5 or 8-3 it was majority rules.

Now that Cleary and his supporters are out you complain about the union that you guys set up. Too damn bad ladies. Now when Clt and Gilles don't get what they want their panties get in a bunch and the walk out crying. Man up little bitches.

As far as DiOrio being removed. His is worthless and we were never going to get a contract with him on the NAC. It was not a tough stance it was obstruction.

Talk about a rubber stamp. CLT and PHL.

It was not Bradford that was going to stop the east from sinking into your old ways. It is just east pilots that cause it not the union name.

How is the hot sauce and spikes up your 6 working out. Ferguson as president is not looking so bad now is it? Short sighted and emotional. You guys just can't be helped.

Go ahead and recall Hummel. Give it a try. I need a good laugh watching the dysfunction.

 

[Beancounter]

Enough of this stuff, it's 75 degrees, I'm going to go enjoy the Lake. I'll be back later, after I've had a few beers. B)

Bean

 

[Move2CLT]

Gary Hummel is negotiating directly with management and the APA to rush us to a MOU term sheet by August 8, 2010. He just fired Paul Diorio and inserted John Owens (who has no contract knowledge or negotiating experience) on the NAC. The previous pass was not sent to the NAC for over 48 hours but went from Scott Kirby to Gary to Dave Ciabattonni, John Owens, and Brian O' Dwyer with specific intstructions from the President NOT to forward to the NAC. This is clearly a violation of the Constitution and Bylaws and UOM and Gary is now empowered to do whatever he wants by a 6-5 majority that is clueless....

WE are about to be handed a Gary Hummel deal without correct input or oversight and your NAC is now unchaired. Dean Collello is contemplating resigning and that leaves Owens....a dangerous interjection due to his lack of knowledge and experience...2 west members Ken Holmes who is smart and capable, Rocky Calavari who is also smart and appears to be a good guy......... We are about to get dealt a cram down MOU that gives away your scope provisions with minimum and all this was done against legal advice and input.......

BOHICA boys............RECALL GARY "GIVE AWAY" HUMMEL NOW!!!! Transparency yea right.

How much experience did the original three stooges have?

Calm down and STFU boo boo. You get extra crispy instead of original today?