June - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

Correct, usair did not liquidate in 2005, it was purchased by AWA.

I can only assume the very same "logic" will be in play with American then?....Good Luck 😉

 

[nic4us]

Seajay, if this merger goes through and you're filling out that APA application. It finally may sink in who's representing you as your CBA.

In my contract called the TA, it states that with a joint contract with the company will implement the LEGAL NIC for all LCC pilots.

You might have heard this before seajay that currently usapa and possibly APA inherits our contracts? Maybe not if you're not paying attention and getting crew room sound bites to keep you funding an illegal quest proposed by the maybe soon out of business corrupt usapa.

OTTER

...and I believe the deal in the workings calls for a joint contract......then a seniority list integration.

So, all three requirements of the TA fulfilled prior to seniority integration means?????......what is the only "accepted" system seniority list at LCC??

 

[EastUS1]

I don't mind the "Wicked Witch" being dead, as long as the "Flying Monkeys" out West are gone too!


seajay

While I've had decent conversations with some equally decent west folks....and it's perhaps a function of recently reading too much from some of the "not-so-much" cadre that mostly post here... well..."the "Flying Monkeys" out West are gone too!" works for me 😉 Might be time for a bit of break from this place...

 

[OTTER574]

I'll cheerfully defer to you there. I'm sure all could use some "valuable information" on exactly how you would have "better" handled the situation Sully and Skiles dealt with so well....? A suggestion to "some" here would be never to put up any wholesale BS that can't be backed up....just sayin'.

The last I looked useast1, it's called TOGA and how it relates to the engine/fadec/mcp...Curious sport, is Airbus/CFM handing out honorary seaplane ratings for the stated individuals?

OTTER

 

[EastUS1]

All lists, at both AMR and LCC should be combined by DOH. Simply, let the chips fall where they may. I have no problem with that.


seajay

Indeed a most reasonable thought...but...where would that put all the happy "It's ALL about MEEE!" opportunists? 😉

 

[nic4us]

I can only assume the very same "logic" will be in play with American then?....Good Luck 😉

AMR is in a completely different situation today than usairways was in 2005.

Also, AWA in no longer around to buy AMR so that would be impossible.

 

[EastUS1]

The last I looked useast1, it's called TOGA and how it relates to the engine/fadec/mcp...

Ok "Ace"...still eagerly awaiting exactly what YOU would have done.....? Step up or shut up. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

Also, AWA in no longer around to buy AMR so that would be impossible.

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet." One must reasonably assume the same would apply to a Cactus....? 😉

 

[OTTER574]

Ok "Ace"...still eagerly awaiting exactly what YOU would have done.....? Step up or shut up. 😉

Give it a try sport, next time you're in the famous AQP usair inherited sim training. Ask questions and learn the aircraft you're paid to fly safely. Most importantly useast1...think outside the box maybe soon out of business usapa has put you in.

OTTER

 

[fodase]

Ok "Ace"...still eagerly awaiting exactly what YOU would have done.....? Step up or shut up. 😉

ahmm how's the bus work again? If your selected speed is less than indicated what thrust are the engines commanded to?

 

[fodase]

From the scab union:

"After detailed analysis and this briefing, the Board unanimously agreed the APA/US Airways Term Sheet is not acceptable."

From fodase:
Did you scabb clowns just figure it out? lol

 

[nycbusdriver]

Have you not figured out that the AA boys want all of us below them? Not just the west. They dont care how old you are or when you will retire. Ask the TWA boys. APA is not going to agree to DOH because it puts to many pilots in front of AA pilots. They don't want you there for a day a week and moth or a year.

The APA does not care if it is west or east senior to them. They don't care about the Nicolau list and how it is ordered. They do care about DFR and how many "outsiders" are ahead of them. DOH is dead.

Figure that out or you are going to be severely disappointed again.

Don't forget it's going to be the APA in charge not usapa or Cleary.

The dynamics of the pilot integration of the TWA into AA were TOTALLY different. After 40 years of animosity and hard feelings, the APA at last found the opportunity to "stick it" to ALPA. Sadly, the TWA pilots were the pawns. ALPA, on the other hand, always looking for a buck, was offering the TWA pilots as an "olive branch" to the APA in hopes that they could get the AA pilots back in the fold...and the dues money filling the trough in Herndon.

There is none of that here. ALPA is not in the picture. There is no doubt that the APA is out for the benefit of the AA pilots, as they indeed should be. Interestingly, the APA was extremely supportive of the efforts by the US Airways pilots to dump ALPA. If anything, the APA and USAPA are "old time buddies."

Yes, USAPA is going to be gone. But I doubt you will find ANYONE at the APA that sees that happenstance as a "squashing," as you nitwits on the west like to call it. It's merely the fact that one union must prevail, and APA has the numbers. (As well you know from experience.)

 

[nycbusdriver]

Instead you're making less at US Air! I can't stop crying I'm laughing so hard.

That's good. Practice crying. It will come in handy soon.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I did not think usapa would get ALPA off the property. I reasoned that it would be close but favor ALPA.

I thought there was no way east pilots like yourself would renege after getting a screamingly good deal from Nic.

I guess I just underestimated what complete scumbags and a-holes populate the ranks over there.

You have to look UP from your hole to even see what a scumbag and a-hole looks like.

 

[nycbusdriver]

In one of the few things I ever called right, I knew we were going to end up with usapa. The way alpo tried to strongarm the west, yet not go so far as to do anything 'to' us without our consent, only served to piss everyone off. The east because they weren't doing enough, and us because of the sleazy way they went about mollifying the east when it was them who pulled out of JNC. Not to mention usapa had a carrot that I figured many east pilots would be unable to resist.

I cringed when I'd hear some of our west guys say stuff like 'they don't have the cards...' etc. I remember thinking to myself, you sure about that chief? I dunno. Anyway, even though I was royally pissed off, I of course did vote for Alpo, and even manned the call center.

Good points. I was not so confident that USAPA would prevail, thought it would be close and was surprised at the margin.

ALPA ran a clown show on the east during the balloting, pulling out all the ALPA-weenies, that everyone here hated, to talk about how great ALPA was. Then, the constant mailings at least once a week, the dufus videos, etc. Then, in a stroke of pure genius, ALPA moved every fence-sitter into the USAPA side with the taking of the PHL LEC into receivership AND staffing it with more ALPA-weenies that everyone hated.

Once USAPA had the ballots to stage a representational election, if ALPA had gone on vacation and sat on their hands for the balloting period, they would have prevailed...and the Nic would be the list.