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I suggested earlier that other defendants will use Libby's commutation to bolster their defense. It is already in the works: "A Libby Motion"
An alleged Hamas operative will likely be among the first criminal defendants to try to capitalize on Bushs commutation. Mohammed Salah is scheduled to be sentenced by a federal judge in Chicago next week on one count of obstruction of justice (same as Libby). Prosecutors are seeking 22 years under the federal sentencing guidelines. Salahs lawyer, whos seeking a sentence of probation, said: What the president said about Mr. Libby applies in spades to the case of Mohammed Salah. Well definitely be bringing it up to the judge. Its going to be a real test, a first early test of whether were a nation of laws or a nation of men.
Libby Case May Aid Hamas Suspect
It wasn't two years probation... it was two years of "SUPERVISED RELEASE."
How one can have a term of supervised release after imprisonment now that the President Bush has erased the prison term??? That question will be answered by that Judge in the coming days.
An alleged Hamas operative will likely be among the first criminal defendants to try to capitalize on Bushs commutation. Mohammed Salah is scheduled to be sentenced by a federal judge in Chicago next week on one count of obstruction of justice (same as Libby). Prosecutors are seeking 22 years under the federal sentencing guidelines. Salahs lawyer, whos seeking a sentence of probation, said: What the president said about Mr. Libby applies in spades to the case of Mohammed Salah. Well definitely be bringing it up to the judge. Its going to be a real test, a first early test of whether were a nation of laws or a nation of men.
Libby Case May Aid Hamas Suspect
It wasn't two years probation... it was two years of "SUPERVISED RELEASE."
How one can have a term of supervised release after imprisonment now that the President Bush has erased the prison term??? That question will be answered by that Judge in the coming days.
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You know dave just like I said you libbers are so damned predictable.
Yes another US Soldier probably will die today defending freedom and going after the bad guys while all the left can do is trash our country and blame it all on Bush.
On average 12 innocent Americans are killed every single day in this country by drunk driving illegal aliens, that works out to be more than 4,000 a year. more Americans lost in a single year to drunk illegals, than during the entire Iraq war but where is the outcry about that Dave?
We just overlook that because as some on these boards say we need cheap lettuce and you call me pathetic?
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I thought he was spreading freedom not defending now. You guys really need to make up your mind what exactly it is that you are doing in Iraq. The reasons keep changing from month to month.
Since by your calculations all those who oppose the war are "libs" and since a clear majority of the people in the US are against the war, I guess the "Libs" are a huge majority in the US. Or do you think that there are a few conservatives in the bunch who are fed up with the BS that you are spouting? I happen to know 4 of them who I work with. They regret their vote and will not make the same mistake a 3rd time.
Like I said earlier, keep staying on the same course. The country already took control of Congress away from the conservatives. Keep at it and you will loose even more power. You have already lost the White House. This war that the right wing has started both on US soil and abroad will be an albatross around the right wings neck for decades to come. The right wing is just giving the Libs more and more ammo All they have to do is sit there and they will win.
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What you live on the Mars probe? :huh:
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Surely you jest. That is not a source. In that entire waste of cyber space the closest they can come to naming an actually study is
In one study What freaking study? of a sample 55,000 illegal immigrants serving prison sentences in the U.S., it was discovered that they are responsible for over 400,000 arrests and over 700,000 felony crimes.
According to Heather McDonald of the Manhattan Institute, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
by their own admission
While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year's 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.
They can not even name the studies. I could not find the "study" referred to in the last reference.
There is no documentation to support the original premise of your post that illegals cause 4,000 DUI deaths a year. I checked on the DOT site and found nothing to support your claim.
By the way, Heather McDonald according to Wikipedia is an atheist. I thought that was kind of funny.
Given the shoddiness of WND's site, I would doubt much of what they say given that they seem to have an aversion to siting verifiable sources for their statements. If they would actually reference a specific study I would be more inclined to believe them.
According to the NHTSA, in 2005 there were 16,885 accidents fatalities thought to be alcohol related. WND is trying to make us believe that a small portion of society is causing 25% of the alcohol related deaths and they do not even have a study to back that claim.
If you which to be taken seriously, you need to reference legitimate sources (left right or center I don't care) that actually have material to back up their claim.
In one study What freaking study? of a sample 55,000 illegal immigrants serving prison sentences in the U.S., it was discovered that they are responsible for over 400,000 arrests and over 700,000 felony crimes.
According to Heather McDonald of the Manhattan Institute, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
by their own admission
While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year's 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.
They can not even name the studies. I could not find the "study" referred to in the last reference.
There is no documentation to support the original premise of your post that illegals cause 4,000 DUI deaths a year. I checked on the DOT site and found nothing to support your claim.
By the way, Heather McDonald according to Wikipedia is an atheist. I thought that was kind of funny.
Given the shoddiness of WND's site, I would doubt much of what they say given that they seem to have an aversion to siting verifiable sources for their statements. If they would actually reference a specific study I would be more inclined to believe them.
According to the NHTSA, in 2005 there were 16,885 accidents fatalities thought to be alcohol related. WND is trying to make us believe that a small portion of society is causing 25% of the alcohol related deaths and they do not even have a study to back that claim.
If you which to be taken seriously, you need to reference legitimate sources (left right or center I don't care) that actually have material to back up their claim.
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Here....sniff this for awhile.....
484,000 sources just for you Gar
We don't need your stinking sources,gringo
Hey Gringo,heres to your stupid laws....
Why don't you look into FBI crime stat's....violent crime is on the rise along the east coast and you know who's causing the brunt of it? ILLEGALS.....same areas with population growth due to illegals now have a whopping harvest of violent crimes.....due to a small portion of society....
Dude...you kill me ....take off the rose colored glasses for once.
484,000 hits on Google for alien DUI
484,000 sources just for you Gar
We don't need your stinking sources,gringo
Hey Gringo,heres to your stupid laws....
Why don't you look into FBI crime stat's....violent crime is on the rise along the east coast and you know who's causing the brunt of it? ILLEGALS.....same areas with population growth due to illegals now have a whopping harvest of violent crimes.....due to a small portion of society....
Dude...you kill me ....take off the rose colored glasses for once.
484,000 hits on Google for alien DUI
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Here....sniff this for awhile.....
484,000 sources just for you Gar
We don't need your stinking sources,gringo
Hey Gringo,heres to your stupid laws....
Why don't you look into FBI crime stat's....violent crime is on the rise along the east coast and you know who's causing the brunt of it? ILLEGALS.....same areas with population growth due to illegals now have a whopping harvest of violent crimes.....due to a small portion of society....
Dude...you kill me ....take off the rose colored glasses for once.
484,000 hits on Google for alien DUI
Did not see anything referring to illegal aliens. I saw alot of conjecture and hyperbole but no substantive evidence.
But back to the original topic.
I noticed something when looking at the pardons/clemency of Clinton. Only about 20 that I counted were even sentenced during the time that Clinton was in office. Meaning that nearly every single one of the people had severed at least a portion if not their entire jail sentence. Of the 20 or so that I saw who were sentenced, none were pardoned in the same year that they were sentenced. One could also argue that at least Clinton was liberal with his use of the pardon/clemency rather than using it to free and employee who had not even served 1 day of his sentence.
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Did not see anything referring to illegal aliens. I saw alot of conjecture and hyperbole but no substantive evidence.
Go tell the relatives of the victims of illegal DUI's about hyperbole you fool....
Illegal immigrant Ricardo Contreras de la Torre is accused of killing a 54-year-old man and injuring a woman in a drunk driving wreck. His two illegal immigrant passengers have also been indicted. Alvarez-Castaneda is accused of entering the country illegally after being deported. Hector Mejia-Ocampo is charged with a firearms violation.
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Alfredo Ramos, a Mexican national in the U.S. illegally, was convicted of driving while intoxicated last year, but that didn't keep him from being behind the wheel after a night of drinking last weekend – and now two teenage girls are dead because of it.
According to police, Ramos, 22, slammed the 1998 Mitsubishi he was driving into the rear of a 1994 Plymouth driven by Allison Kunhardt, 17, Friday night in Virginia Beach, Va. Kunhardt and her best friend Tessa Tranchant, 16, were stopped at a traffic light when they were hit from behind. Although both wore seat belts, both died – one at the scene and one after arriving at the hospital.
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Janesville woman Isabell Zapien-Montoia caused the death of Beloit teen Kelly Frye
By Rasmieyh Abdelnabi
Daily News staff writer
JANESVILLE - The Janesville woman accused of driving drunk and causing the death of a Beloit teen was sentenced to three years in prison.
Isabell Zapien-Montoia, 28, of the 300 block of Glen Street, also was sentenced to eight years extended supervision for homicide by intoxicated use of a vehicle.
On Aug. 22, 2006, Zapien-Montoia was driving drunk to Beloit, with Kelly Frye, 19, of Beloit. She tried to pass another vehicle in front of her, lost control and crashed into a tree. Zapien-Montoia lost her leg to the accident. Frye was taken to Rockford Memorial Hospital for severe head trauma, where she was pronounced dead.
Zapien-Montoia was originally charged with homicide by intoxicated use of a vehicle, homicide by use of a vehicle with a prohibited blood concentration, second degree reckless homicide and second degree recklessly endangering safety. In May, she accepted a plea agreement and plead guilty to the first charge and the other charges were dismissed.
Several of Frye's family members attended the sentencing hearing. Her sister, Amy Frye; her mother, Laura Haas and stepmother, Laura Frye addressed the judge before sentencing while sitting next to Rock County Assistant District Attorney Jerry Urbik. A picture of Kelly Frye sat on the desk facing the judge.
“I just want to say that this has been so hard on our family,†Haas said through heavy tears. “We just miss Kelly. We miss her every day.â€
She told of a MySpace page created and dedicated to the memory of Kelly that Kelly's sister and friends created.
“I know Isabell did not mean to kill Kelly. I know that. It was an accident,†Haas continued.
But it doesn't change the fact that Zapien-Montoia should have known better. She is old enough to not make these sorts of mistakes, Haas said.
She and Kelly's family wanted to see Zapien-Montoia get at least five years in prison.
The district attorney's office and Zapien-Montoia reached an joint sentence recommendation, which consisted of 18 months in prison followed by eight years extended supervision.
Kelly's family didn't agree with the recommendation. They were told that it was only 18 months in prison because Zapien-Montoia is an illegal immigrant and faces deportation. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has a hold on Zapien-Montoia.
Laura Frye read a prepared statement to the court on behalf of herself and Kelly's father, Buzz Frye.
“Because of Isabell's choice to drive drunk, Kelly's family will never know the great person she was meant to be. Kelly had so much potential and we know she would have succeeded at whatever she chose to do in life,†Laura Frye said. “Isabell's choice to drive the night of Aug. 22 has devastated our family. Kelly was not there for this past Thanksgiving or Christmas. She wasn't there to celebrate Father's Day with her dad like she was the years before. Isabell has forever changed our lives because of her ignorant choice to drink and drive while intoxicated almost twice the legal limit.â€
The family also requested restitution in the amount of $6,514.74 for the funeral expenses and Kelly's headstone.
The Fryes don't want to see Zapien-Montoia deported. She has been here since she was 7 years old.
“We believe that she is as much a U.S. citizen as we are. She should be given the same punishment as an American citizen,†Mrs. Frye said. “Isabell's children need her to straighten up her life so they will one day be reunited with their mother.â€
Zapien-Montoia has five children, who have been taken away from her due to neglect.
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Dwane Braswell, 35, and his 9-year-old son, Jerry, of Clayton were in a big rig Sunday when a car ran a stop sign and darted out in front of them. Braswell swerved to avoid it, but his cab rolled over and burst into flames, killing the father and son.
The other driver, Luciano Telles, fled but is now in the Johnston County Jail. He had prior DUIs in Wake County and is an illegal immigrant.
[Fatal DWI Involves Illegal Immigrant, ABC Channel 11 Raleigh Durham 3/07/07]
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Before being charged with killing a Porter woman and her pregnant daughter in a crash Sunday, Ignacio Gomez-Gutierrez had been convicted three times for drunken driving in Harris County, court records show.
His third DWI arrest, which would normally become a felony, was reduced to a misdemeanor, a move the mayor’s crime victims advocate calls a “pivotal moment†that ultimately led to the deaths of Maria Ortiz, 49, and her 18-year-old daughter, Vanessa, who was five months pregnant.
crash 2
Records also show Gomez-Gutierrez, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, was never deported after serving his time in jail in 2002, 2004 and 2005.
The victims’ family members and others say Gomez-Gutierrez should never have been back on the road in the first place.
“We are so angry,†said Sylvia Flores, 28, whose mother and younger sister died in the accident. “If everyone had done what they were supposed to do, they would still be alive. I don’t want (Gomez-Gutierrez) to slip through the cracks again. He’s just been given a slap on the wrist. No wonder he did it again.â€
Records show Gomez-Gutierrez spent 26 days in the county jail for the first drunken driving conviction, three days for the second incident and six months for the third.
alien
While the first two convictions were for misdemeanor drunk driving charges, by law, the third was elevated to a third-degree felony.
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Illegal crossing
Luisa Deason, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokeswoman in Houston, said files are still being reviewed to determine if local law enforcement ever notified the federal agency about Gomez-Gutierrez’s convictions before releasing him from jail.
Investigators have determined that Gomez-Gutierrez entered the United States illegally in Hidalgo, Texas, on May 1, 2001. He has not returned to Mexico since.
Deason said efforts to detain illegal immigrants who have committed minor crimes — not categorized as felonies — have improved since September. “We have more federal officers stationed at the jail keeping track of who is there,†she said.
She said she could not say for certain what happened in this incident. In the past, however, more priority has been given to illegal immigrants who are violent gang members or who have committed felonies, Deason said….. [/quote]
So easy a caveman could do it,Garfield...
Go tell the relatives of the victims of illegal DUI's about hyperbole you fool....
Illegal immigrant Ricardo Contreras de la Torre is accused of killing a 54-year-old man and injuring a woman in a drunk driving wreck. His two illegal immigrant passengers have also been indicted. Alvarez-Castaneda is accused of entering the country illegally after being deported. Hector Mejia-Ocampo is charged with a firearms violation.
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Alfredo Ramos, a Mexican national in the U.S. illegally, was convicted of driving while intoxicated last year, but that didn't keep him from being behind the wheel after a night of drinking last weekend – and now two teenage girls are dead because of it.
According to police, Ramos, 22, slammed the 1998 Mitsubishi he was driving into the rear of a 1994 Plymouth driven by Allison Kunhardt, 17, Friday night in Virginia Beach, Va. Kunhardt and her best friend Tessa Tranchant, 16, were stopped at a traffic light when they were hit from behind. Although both wore seat belts, both died – one at the scene and one after arriving at the hospital.
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Janesville woman Isabell Zapien-Montoia caused the death of Beloit teen Kelly Frye
By Rasmieyh Abdelnabi
Daily News staff writer
JANESVILLE - The Janesville woman accused of driving drunk and causing the death of a Beloit teen was sentenced to three years in prison.
Isabell Zapien-Montoia, 28, of the 300 block of Glen Street, also was sentenced to eight years extended supervision for homicide by intoxicated use of a vehicle.
On Aug. 22, 2006, Zapien-Montoia was driving drunk to Beloit, with Kelly Frye, 19, of Beloit. She tried to pass another vehicle in front of her, lost control and crashed into a tree. Zapien-Montoia lost her leg to the accident. Frye was taken to Rockford Memorial Hospital for severe head trauma, where she was pronounced dead.
Zapien-Montoia was originally charged with homicide by intoxicated use of a vehicle, homicide by use of a vehicle with a prohibited blood concentration, second degree reckless homicide and second degree recklessly endangering safety. In May, she accepted a plea agreement and plead guilty to the first charge and the other charges were dismissed.
Several of Frye's family members attended the sentencing hearing. Her sister, Amy Frye; her mother, Laura Haas and stepmother, Laura Frye addressed the judge before sentencing while sitting next to Rock County Assistant District Attorney Jerry Urbik. A picture of Kelly Frye sat on the desk facing the judge.
“I just want to say that this has been so hard on our family,†Haas said through heavy tears. “We just miss Kelly. We miss her every day.â€
She told of a MySpace page created and dedicated to the memory of Kelly that Kelly's sister and friends created.
“I know Isabell did not mean to kill Kelly. I know that. It was an accident,†Haas continued.
But it doesn't change the fact that Zapien-Montoia should have known better. She is old enough to not make these sorts of mistakes, Haas said.
She and Kelly's family wanted to see Zapien-Montoia get at least five years in prison.
The district attorney's office and Zapien-Montoia reached an joint sentence recommendation, which consisted of 18 months in prison followed by eight years extended supervision.
Kelly's family didn't agree with the recommendation. They were told that it was only 18 months in prison because Zapien-Montoia is an illegal immigrant and faces deportation. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has a hold on Zapien-Montoia.
Laura Frye read a prepared statement to the court on behalf of herself and Kelly's father, Buzz Frye.
“Because of Isabell's choice to drive drunk, Kelly's family will never know the great person she was meant to be. Kelly had so much potential and we know she would have succeeded at whatever she chose to do in life,†Laura Frye said. “Isabell's choice to drive the night of Aug. 22 has devastated our family. Kelly was not there for this past Thanksgiving or Christmas. She wasn't there to celebrate Father's Day with her dad like she was the years before. Isabell has forever changed our lives because of her ignorant choice to drink and drive while intoxicated almost twice the legal limit.â€
The family also requested restitution in the amount of $6,514.74 for the funeral expenses and Kelly's headstone.
The Fryes don't want to see Zapien-Montoia deported. She has been here since she was 7 years old.
“We believe that she is as much a U.S. citizen as we are. She should be given the same punishment as an American citizen,†Mrs. Frye said. “Isabell's children need her to straighten up her life so they will one day be reunited with their mother.â€
Zapien-Montoia has five children, who have been taken away from her due to neglect.
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Dwane Braswell, 35, and his 9-year-old son, Jerry, of Clayton were in a big rig Sunday when a car ran a stop sign and darted out in front of them. Braswell swerved to avoid it, but his cab rolled over and burst into flames, killing the father and son.
The other driver, Luciano Telles, fled but is now in the Johnston County Jail. He had prior DUIs in Wake County and is an illegal immigrant.
[Fatal DWI Involves Illegal Immigrant, ABC Channel 11 Raleigh Durham 3/07/07]
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Before being charged with killing a Porter woman and her pregnant daughter in a crash Sunday, Ignacio Gomez-Gutierrez had been convicted three times for drunken driving in Harris County, court records show.
His third DWI arrest, which would normally become a felony, was reduced to a misdemeanor, a move the mayor’s crime victims advocate calls a “pivotal moment†that ultimately led to the deaths of Maria Ortiz, 49, and her 18-year-old daughter, Vanessa, who was five months pregnant.
crash 2
Records also show Gomez-Gutierrez, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, was never deported after serving his time in jail in 2002, 2004 and 2005.
The victims’ family members and others say Gomez-Gutierrez should never have been back on the road in the first place.
“We are so angry,†said Sylvia Flores, 28, whose mother and younger sister died in the accident. “If everyone had done what they were supposed to do, they would still be alive. I don’t want (Gomez-Gutierrez) to slip through the cracks again. He’s just been given a slap on the wrist. No wonder he did it again.â€
Records show Gomez-Gutierrez spent 26 days in the county jail for the first drunken driving conviction, three days for the second incident and six months for the third.
alien
While the first two convictions were for misdemeanor drunk driving charges, by law, the third was elevated to a third-degree felony.
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Illegal crossing
Luisa Deason, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokeswoman in Houston, said files are still being reviewed to determine if local law enforcement ever notified the federal agency about Gomez-Gutierrez’s convictions before releasing him from jail.
Investigators have determined that Gomez-Gutierrez entered the United States illegally in Hidalgo, Texas, on May 1, 2001. He has not returned to Mexico since.
Deason said efforts to detain illegal immigrants who have committed minor crimes — not categorized as felonies — have improved since September. “We have more federal officers stationed at the jail keeping track of who is there,†she said.
She said she could not say for certain what happened in this incident. In the past, however, more priority has been given to illegal immigrants who are violent gang members or who have committed felonies, Deason said….. [/quote]
So easy a caveman could do it,Garfield...
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What,you trying to compare and justify Clintons actions with W?
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You quoted 5 cases. Try a study that actually uses scientific method that can be verified.
You opened the door with Clinton, I was just examining his record. I would never insult Clinton by comparing him to W.
Geez...I take a half-year sebatical and Beavis and Butthead have actually become even more immature. I now see the argument against evolution...Dell and Local 12 are actually de-evolving right before our eyes.
And still posting worlnetdaily hate blogs as credible sources?! Give me a break.
And still posting worlnetdaily hate blogs as credible sources?! Give me a break.
