The load factor speaks for itself....just our point that there is no war effect any longer. Fuel has gone down to pre war levels, while traffic is at a higher level,IE the load factor. As for a profit, this outfit will most likley never show one. So I know that we are beat for the artificial war effewct 5/% until 18 months passes. As for your remarks ITRADE, all of the employees know that the 5% is no longer required, and should be given back as a good gesture for a change. We all know what the contract says, and we know what it said before the company cried for us to open it up for concessions. UA had the option to take it, and never did. We are the only airline that has been beat to death on wages plus 5%...That is our point. For someone who does not even work for this company ( As you have stated) you must have on dull life to spend a this much time on another companies board...get a life instead of medling in our careers. Tell us all where you work so that we can put our 2 cents in on their boards.