M&E reductions announced

[Hopeful]

Click your heels three times and keep saying that things are not going to change and this is just scare tactic manuevering.

I agree..
There are several scenarios here in play..First, theses are threats. At least one overhaul base is going. Why do you think the Delta hangar at DFW was taken..? Either AFW or MCIE are gone, maybe both. If these closings occur, then obviously it wasn't a threat to force the sequel of a 2nd concessionary contract. But a business decision, plain and simple.

They are now threatening us at JFK that the lease on the hangar is up this December and if AA chooses not to renew, we must be out by November along with 100-200 mechanics furloughed. The Cargo facility adjacent hangar 10 is going and will be moving to the ANA facility on Cargo Road. If we lose the A300 B check and it is not replaced with another tyoe of equipment, there is no need for a hangar.


Secondly, if these are NOT threats, then they are AA's way of taking the bull by the horns and really closing maintenance facilities and CENTRALIZING maintenance. No longer will they assign all the work they do now. Routing will be the key issue...It can be done,,Almost every other airline does it. So it is a good plan from a company perspective.

So if all the rumored closings take place and all the layoffs that ensue, then AA will be saving hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars a year....GOOD FOR AA!!!!!!!!!!

So don't expect a DIME more from us...Time to compensate us for these further sacrifices...

You know damn well the executives are going to be rewarded handsomely for these "tough but necessary" decisions..

 

[eolesen]

The JFK lease issue wouldn't surprise me. I'm told that space has been tagged as the only remaining option for terminal expansion, since it's along the AirTrain. There's not much room on the south side of the Van Wyck extension, but there certainly is between the AA freight/hangar complex and what used to be Cargo City.

If that happens, it looks like the guys at Tower Air were about 15-20 years ahead of their time and/or on the wrong side of the freeway...

 

[1AA]

Rumor has it and I say RUMOR...

The early out package or VBR or whatever you want to call it will be tailored towards the Ex TWA guys. If so then this makes sense in the rumor of closing MCIE and AFW and possibly not renewing the lease at JFK. I can not see AA not renewing the lease at JFK. It sounds too far fetched off the wall rumor since JFK and the Hangar have been around for many years. A maintenance gateway to Europe and the Caribbean. I just can not see the JFK hangar gone and the LGA Hangar still around. The JFK hangar has more productivity potential since it is a widebody hangar at an International airport. Although threats and poor management decisions have been made in the past and the beatings will continue until AA/TWU will get what they want from us.

 

[cafecubano]

alot of rumors and scuttlebutt out their is what i read from all you. Let me add mine, afw is getting 4 767 check lines, for When the 777 line leaves for tul. so their for all those sothseer's out their that think afw will close phoey to you!

 

[AA Tulsa Mechanic]

alot of rumors and scuttlebutt out their is what i read from all you. Let me add mine, afw is getting 4 767 check lines, for When the 777 line leaves for tul. so their for all those sothseer's out their that think afw will close phoey to you!

I hope you not serious? :unsure: AA can and will change things at anytime. Don't put all your trust in the dock plan. If AA were to announce a base closer now and say it is closing one or both down, what would you think would happen to the morale? Do you think aircraft would make it out on schedule? Just be prepared for anything and you won't be surprised when it happens.

 

[eolesen]

I can not see AA not renewing the lease at JFK. It sounds too far fetched off the wall rumor since JFK and the Hangar have been around for many years. A maintenance gateway to Europe and the Caribbean. I just can not see the JFK hangar gone and the LGA Hangar still around. The JFK hangar has more productivity potential since it is a widebody hangar at an International airport.

Is a six or eight bay widebody capable hangar at JFK really necessary in a post-A300 world? If not, and the lease is up with other options available, I wouldn't rule out anything.

Years ago, 50% or more of the A300 fleet would be at JFK on a given night, and IIRC, almost all of the B checks were done there. The aircraft didn't have the range to do a whole lot more than it was doing during daylight hours, so they sat on the ground with a lot of time for B checks and clearing MEL's.

There may be one or two 777's and a mixed bag of 767s and 757s which can't do a turn out of JFK when they arrive past 1900.

Unlike the limitations on A300 routings, all of those equipment types can be routed in/out of DFW, ORD, and LAX pretty easy. If I had to decide which was more critical with regard to Europe or the Caribbean, JFK is a second-place contender to ORD and MIA respective.

So, the number of overnights at JFK could easily wind up being a shadow of what they are today.

 

[cafecubano]

I hope you not serious? :unsure: AA can and will change things at anytime. Don't put all your trust in the dock plan. If AA were to announce a base closer now and say it is closing one or both down, what would you think would happen to the morale? Do you think aircraft would make it out on schedule? Just be prepared for anything and you won't be surprised when it happens.

listen i've been with aa for decades don't worry about me. By your reasoning they could close down overhaul all together (that includes your tul ). So then we get back to the best info being from mgt., even when their not sure or got it together. some advise you can't prepare for ANYTHING. you do the best you can,for you and yours.

 

[Boomer]

Overhaul being spun off has been on the table to the same extent that FSC and Title II being spun off.

A stopped watch is correct twice each day.

We were sold the 1983 contract based on no overhaul, as was the 1989 M&E Contract and the 1995 Contract: after each and every such deal, AMR recorded record profits while they "told" the TWU, "You have a Contract."

Oil breached 146/bbl and AMR sought an extension of the Home Invasion of 2003; the TWU desperately sought to have it sold. AMR and the TWU FAILED.

Oil futures are declining, including the upside trends over the last several weeks, but the economies of China, India and Western Europe are edging on their own recession. Opening the OCS of the US is in play as well as alternative energy sources that have resource bases independant of oil. All of this plays towards cheaper energy for transportation usage until such time as transitional fuels and technology come on line.

Do not believe that mass transportation will cease to exist until the transition from hydrocarbon to some alternative is complete: what you need to understand is that refusing to be paid your actual worth through fair compensation will only extend the Governmental Intervention eventually required.

Do not buy the 1995 contract again.

 

[cafecubano]

Overhaul being spun off has been on the table to the same extent that FSC and Title II being spun off.

A stopped watch is correct twice each day.

We were sold the 1983 contract based on no overhaul, as was the 1989 M&E Contract and the 1995 Contract: after each and every such deal, AMR recorded record profits while they "told" the TWU, "You have a Contract."

Oil breached 146/bbl and AMR sought an extension of the Home Invasion of 2003; the TWU desperately sought to have it sold. AMR and the TWU FAILED.

Oil futures are declining, including the upside trends over the last several weeks, but the economies of China, India and Western Europe are edging on their own recession. Opening the OCS of the US is in play as well as alternative energy sources that have resource bases independant of oil. All of this plays towards cheaper energy for transportation usage until such time as transitional fuels and technology come on line.

Do not believe that mass transportation will cease to exist until the transition from hydrocarbon to some alternative is complete: what you need to understand is that refusing to be paid your actual worth through fair compensation will only extend the Governmental Intervention eventually required.

Do not buy the 1995 contract again.

huh ? (i'm scrathing my head) say what?

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

huh ? (i'm scrathing my head) say what?

If you couldn't figure out what Boomer was talking about, then you haven't been around AA for decades as you have stated.

 

[cafecubano]

If you couldn't figure out what Boomer was talking about, then you haven't been around AA for decades as you have stated.

unless you can add something to the table your irrelevant.

 

[cafecubano]

I try to glean info. as far as it affects me and mine. but to do so means i need to sift and discern through myriad of threads and post. All to often someone chases rabbits and draws their own conclusion as to the end game of AA. Truth be said no one knows for sure not even mgt. So i give my two bits from what i heard by mgt. in meetings with the troops. As far as my time at AA. lets just say i have lived through many contracts. But then that does not matter here, for my past experience and memories with AA and twu contract negotiations would not make me a forcaster of whether they keep overhaul, FSC's pilots or f/a's. Lest we forget other airline workers losing it all to bankruptsy liquidation.

 

[getreal]

"Overhaul being spun off has been on the table to the same extent that FSC and Title II being spun off".

FSC being spun off is a new one. :unsure:

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Not "pretending" to be(or know).........anything about AA Maint., but I bet I'm very close with "this" evaluation, as to what the AA hanger situation will look like after ALL the "cuts" are made.

TUL
ORD
MIA
JFK
DFW
LAX,

and those are in PRIORITY ORDER !

Specific to JFK,................there are "Way too many" widebodys coming and going(Europe/Transcons) in Kennedy, for AA to have to wait to ferry equipt. in from ORD or MIA.

Kennedy STAYS !!!!!!!!!

 

[Hopeful]

Not "pretending" to be(or know).........anything about AA Maint., but I bet I'm very close with "this" evaluation, as to what the AA hanger situation will look like after ALL the "cuts" are made.

TUL
ORD
MIA
JFK
DFW
LAX,

and those are in PRIORITY ORDER !

Specific to JFK,................there are "Way too many" widebodys coming and going(Europe/Transcons) in Kennedy, for AA to have to wait to ferry equipt. in from ORD or MIA.

Kennedy STAYS !!!!!!!!!

NHBBs.......how r u buddy?

Not a bad analysis...But we can add one more tidbit to this saga.. The hangar at LAX will be closed and demolished because of a runway project at that airport. So there is a substantial hangar facility almost a carbon copy of hangar 10 at JFK..
LAX had been doing the 767 B check and that will have find a new home....So if JFK h10 is closed, that leaves SFO, ORD, DFW, MIA, and TUL to do it..
So with the NY-LA market as it is using 767s exclusively, the aircraft depending on the model will have to be routed OUT of the market and flown sometimes empty to another base.

I believe that while some of the rumors might simply be threats to force the TWU into another rape-filled concessionary contract which will continue to reward the execs for making the "tough" decisions.......Some of the rumors about base and facility closings are also true..

We will all be learning of the realities by September..


Let the company do what they will..It is there company... But no more concessions....