Mechanic and Related Transition Update

[awausairtech]

MR EGALE: Why DIDN'T The IBT TEAMSTER'S File SEC 6? They Had Three Year's? It Would Be Nice To Hear From Andy & The Previous Negotiator's. WHY YOU ALL DID NOT FILE SEC 6?. Talked to Linda Puchala NMB Facilitator, She Said WE Could File Sec 6 for the WEST MX & Related,But that The Company, WIll Not Negotiate with JUST THE WEST. They Want All Or Nothing
700: The IBT and HP were in Section 6 Negotiations and the company broke off the talks and the IBT did nothing about it. AWAUSAIRTECH: THE COMPANY WAS GOING SLOW WITH THE CONTRACT TALKS DUE TO THE MERGER WITH USAIR AND KNEW THEY HAD THE UPPER HAND SO THEY DRUG OUT THE TALKS TILL THEY HAD THE MERGER AND STOPPED TALKS DUE TO THE VOTE ON WHICH UNION THEY WERE GOING TO WORK WITH, WHAT IS SO HARD TO SEE ABOUT THIS, BUT WE IN THE WEST WERE AT MONEY AND NOW WE ARE AT A STALL TILL 2009 AND PLUS NEW TALKS...... AND 700 JUST HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET A CONTRACT ON AVERAGE?????2 OR 3 YEARS(IF YOUR COMPANY IS NOT LOOKING AT A MERGER AND SAVING MONEY????????????????WELCOME TO THE NEW WAY OF A COMPANY PUTING YOU ON A PAY FREEZE.......................

 

[700UW]

NO THE IBT NEVER FILED SEC 6 Paper Work that's what is Being TOLD to THE CURRENT Neg's Team.
Thanks For Your Input, Have Heard from a Very Reliable Neg's Committee Member.
MR E.

That is totally wrong, the IBT and HP WERE IN Section 6 Negotiations.

And this proves it:

Mechanics Negotiations IBT and HP

 

[Awa Contract]

Mr. Eagle grab your ears and give a good firm yank - "united mechanics and related" as in one common group ... i.e. EAST + WEST

 

[awausairtech]

That is totally wrong, the IBT and HP WERE IN Section 6 Negotiations.

And this proves it:

Mechanics Negotiations IBT and HP

Yes the IBT filed but the company was showing good faith (DRAGING THEIR FEET REAL SLOWWWWW) And then the merger and here we are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!let me re post and read what was not on the TA list #1 scope plus......just money(what the IAM did not want you to know.) http://www.teamsterslocal104.org/negotiations_summary.htm

 

[Mr Eagle]

Yes the IBT filed but the company was showing good faith (DRAGING THEIR FEET REAL SLOWWWWW) And then the merger and here we are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!let me re post and read what was not on the TA list #1 scope plus......just money(what the IAM did not want you to know.) http://www.teamsterslocal104.org/negotiations_summary.htm

Linda Puchala Works For the NMB, I talked With Her About Sec 6 West AWA IBT,Nothing Was Filed to Place the IBT in Sec6. You At AWA & IBT were Neg'ing with AWA Under Voluntary Negotiations The IBT Never Filed The Sec 6 Paper Work. If This Is a Fact Then Show me Or Give The CASE NUMBER So We Can See it For our Self's. I Would Like to See The File's that YOU ALL SUBMITTED to the NMB?
The Little T/A'S are Just Wish List's they are NOT SEC 6 File's 700. Thanks Nice Try Spin Man.
Mr E

 

[700UW]

Better get your information from a better source who understands the RLA, normal negotiations cannot start until both parties exchange Section 6 Notices:

How do parties initiate negotiations under the RLA?
The parties exchange notices of intent to change or amend the existing contract. These notices are referred to as "Section 6" notices.

What are "direct negotiations?"
Direct negotiation is the first step in contract negotiations under the RLA, during which the parties meet without the assistance of a NMB mediator.

You are probably mixing up Mediation assistance with Section 6 Notices.

Section 6 notices are not filed with the NMB, they are exchanged by the company and the union.

From the NMB:

These questions and answers are meant to provide general guidance only. They do not provide definitive determination of any mediation matter and are not to be construed as legal opinions that may be cited in any administrative, legal, or arbitral proceeding.

1. Q: When do collective bargaining agreements expire under the RLA?
A: Under the RLA, collective bargaining agreements do not expire; instead they become subject to change as of a specified date and upon "notices of intent" by the parties to change some or all of the elements of the agreement. Until a mutually newly negotiated agreement is accepted by both parties, the provisions of the original agreement remain in full force. This is commonly referred to as "status quo."

2. Q: How do parties initiate negotiations under the RLA
A: The parties exchange notices of intent to change or amend the existing contract. These formal notices are referred to as "Section 6" notices.

3. Q: What are "direct negotiations"?
A: Direct negotiation is the first step in contract negotiations under the RLA, during which the parties meet without the assistance of a mediator.

4. Q: How long does it normally take to negotiate agreements under the RLA?
A: The length of negotiation, including both direct and mediation varies with each case. Normally, the complexity and number of issues bargained-over are the key determinants.

5. Q: Does the NMB use methods other than traditional mediation to assist parties in reaching agreements?
A: Yes. The NMB has initiated a program to train parties in the principles of Facilitated Problem Solving. This training program is voluntary, and is offered upon the request of the parties. Facilitated Problem Solving is a negotiations method which focuses on the interests of the parties and finding mutually acceptable solutions to issues. Facilitated Problem Solving Training is a 1.5 day training program designed to illustrate problem solving approaches through interactive exercises. Should the parties decide to introduce this approach in their negotiations, the NMB will provide a Facilitator to assist the parties in implementing the process.

6. Q: If a case is in litigation, does that mean the RLA isn't working?
A: No. Under the RLA, the NMB does not have jurisdiction over circumstances such as a party's failure to bargain in good faith or failure to adhere to the status quo provisions of the RLA. Therefore, if either party feels that the other is violating the RLA, it is appropriate to seek a remedy in court.



APPLICATIONS FOR MEDIATION

7. Q: What happens if the parties cannot reach an agreement in direct negotiations?
A: If either party believes an agreement cannot be reached in direct negotiations, that party can apply for mediation with the NMB. Upon application, the NMB will docket the application and assign a mediator to the case.

8. Q: Can the parties file a joint mediation application?
A: Yes, parties may file jointly with the NMB for mediation services.

9. Q: Do both parties have to sign the application for mediation?
A: No, only the party applying for mediation services must sign the application. The signature must be from the highest authority in the organization, i.e., an officer of either the Union or the Company. If the parties file jointly, then both parties must sign the application.

10. Q: Where do we get the mediation application?
A: Applications for mediation may be obtained through the NMB web site or from the Director of Mediation office at the NMB. (www.nmb.gov/mediation/mapply.html)

11. Q: What happens after the application is received by the NMB?
A: The application is first reviewed to ensure that it is completed properly and appropriately, and if so, the case is then docketed.



MEDIATION PROCESS

12. Q: How are mediators assigned to cases?
A: When an application for mediation is received, the Director of Mediation and Senior Mediators consult concerning case assignment. They consider a variety of factors, including individual work loads, mediator availability, schedules, desires of the parties, the history of a given mediator with the parties, mediator background, complexity of the case, and other factors.

13. Q: What kind of background or experience do the NMB mediators have?
A: NMB mediators typically come from either Union or Company backgrounds and have extensive labor relations experience in either the rail or airline industries. Mediator biographies may be found on the NMB web site. (www.nmb.gov/directory/dirmed.html)

14. Q: During the mediation process, what is the role of the mediator?
A: The role of the mediator is to assist the parties with productive dialog on their issues. The mediator can and will use a variety of techniques to ensure this does occur.

15. Q: Can the NMB determine where the parties will meet when they are in mediation?
A: The courts have held that the NMB has the authority to establish where and when the parties will meet while in mediation. Normally, however, the meeting site and dates are mutually agreed upon among the parties and the mediator.

16. Q: Can the NMB determine when and/or how often the parties will meet when they are in mediation?
A: Again, meetings are normally established by mutual agreement among the parties and the mediator, but during mediation the NMB does have the authority to dictate when the parties will meet, for how long they will meet, and when meetings will be recessed.

17. Q: How long does mediation last?
A: There is no time limit for the mediation process. It can take just a few meetings, or it can take many months, depending upon the complexity of the negotiations and many other factors unique to each contract negotiation. The NMB has the authority to decide when and if to end mediation. Under the RLA, the NMB ceases mediation efforts when it concludes that all reasonable efforts to reach a voluntary agreement through mediation have failed.

18. Q: What does "status quo" mean?
A: "Status quo" is used to describe the terms of the contract in place at the beginning of direct negotiations. During direct negotiations, mediated negotiations, and any cooling off periods after mediated negotiations, neither party may violate the status quo by making unilateral changes in wages, benefits, or working conditions.

19. Q: Why does the NMB Recess a case during mediation?
A: Recess is one of the many tools a mediator uses in managing a Mediation case. If a case is recessed by a mediator, it is for a specific purpose related to the particular facts of the given case.



PROFFER OF ARBITRATION

20. Q: What is a "proffer of arbitration"?
A: When the NMB believes that further mediation efforts will not result in an agreement, it issues a proffer of arbitration, which is an offer to the parties to arbitrate any remaining issues.

21. Q: Why doesn't the NMB make a proffer of arbitration when one of the parties asks for it?
A: Under the RLA, the NMB is responsible for making its best efforts to help the parties reach an agreement without resorting to self-help. While it will listen to requests from the parties for a release, it is the NMB's responsibility to keep parties in mediation until it has expended all reasonable efforts to reach an agreement.

22. Q: What happens if either party rejects the proffer of arbitration?
A: If either party rejects the proffer of arbitration, the NMB releases the parties from mediation and they enter a 30-day count down, or cooling off, period.



COOLING OFF PERIODS

23. Q: What happens during the cooling off period?
A: Normally the NMB invites the parties to meet during the cooling off period in order to further mediate an agreement. These meetings are often referred to as "public interest mediation" or "super mediation."

24. Q: What if no agreement is reached during the 30-day cooling off period?
A: If no agreement is reached by the end of the 30-day cooling off period, the parties are free to exercise "self-help." This means that the Union is free to strike or engage in other activity, and the Carrier is free to impose its last best offer or temporarily cease operations or engage in other self-help activity, unless a PEB is created.



PUBLIC INTEREST MEETINGS

25. Q: What are public interest meetings?
A: During the 30 day cooling off period the NMB will call the parties back to the table for further discussions. These meetings are referred to as public interest meetings or super mediation meetings. Generally, these meetings are called at or near the end of the count down period, but they can be called at any time during the 30 day time frame.



PRESIDENTIAL EMERGENCY BOARD (PEB)

26. Q: What is a "Presidential Emergency Board' (PEB)?
A: During the 30-day cooling off period, the NMB makes a determination regarding the impact of a strike. Pursuant to Section 160 of the RLA, the NMB "notifies" the President that in its "judgement" the dispute between a carrier and its employees cannot be adjusted and "threaten substantially to interrupt interstate commerce to a degree such as to deprive any section of the country of essential transportation service." Once the President receives such notification, the President may, "in his discretion, create a board to investigate and report on such dispute. The NMB submits a recommended list of potential neutrals to the President. The PEB usually has 30 days to develop a proposed agreement and present that agreement to the parties for consideration. After the PEB delivers its proposed agreement, there is a further 30-day cooling off period.

27. Q: What happens if either party rejects the PEB's proposed agreement?
A: If either party rejects the PEB's proposal, the parties may, after the 30-day cooling off period, engage in self-help.

28. Q: Is there any circumstance in which the parties are constrained from engaging in self-help after rejecting a PEB's proposal?
A: Yes. It is possible for the Congress to intervene and legislatively mandate a settlement.

Prior to the merger, IBT and HP were in Section 6 Negotiations.

 

[Mr. Quade]

What does it matter if Sec 6 was filed by IBT anyways?

This Company wanted T/A talks so they could save money by not increasing benefits (east) or keeping them (west). They knew this would take awhile to resolve.

And in the meantime they could still outsource the AWA planes.

 

[Mr Eagle]

What does it matter if Sec 6 was filed by IBT anyways?

This Company wanted T/A talks so they could save money by not increasing benefits (east) or keeping them (west). They knew this would take awhile to resolve.

And in the meantime they could still outsource the AWA planes.

The ONLY WAY TO STRIKE IS THRU SEC6 WE HAVE NOT BEEN IN SECT 6 YET. AWA IBT now IAM.
MR E.

 

[700UW]

Are you that dense?

The IBT and HP started Section 6 Negotiations in 2003.

Better have a good memory, here is your post:

AWA/US AIRWAYS Mechanics FRUSTRATION/CELEBRATION OCTOBER,2007.

The AWA Mechanics & Related Are Entering, 4-5 Years Of NO PAY Raises or Benefits. These are Some of the Facts & Events. That Have Taken Place to Date.

1} The IBT, TEAMSTER's Filed Section 6 near the end of 2003, Entering into Negotiations with The Company, @ AWA. The Negotiations Committee, Mechanics & Related, Having an AMENDABLE, 5 Year Contract,continued Negotiations & Spent 2-3 Years Negotiating with The AWA/IBT Negotiation Committee,with A Company,COST NEUTRAL Mentality. Getting Close to an Agreement. <_< The Change Of Control,Merger Between AWA & US AIRWAYS took Shape.

2} Through an NMB {National Mediation Board} Decision In September,2006,Between the, I.B.T. {Teamster UNION} & The I.A.M. {International Association of Machinists & Aerospace Workers UNION}, The I.A.M. Was Awarded the SOLE REPRESENTATION UNION for the AWA MECHANICS & RELATED.

3} The I.A.M. Transition Negotiation Committee's Were Formed, Negotiations for a "TRANSITION" took place For THE EAST Mechanics & AWA Mechanics & Related.When The Negotiations Committee Applied to The N.M.B. for Assistance After Stalled Talks, US AIRWAYS Labor Committee Agreed & Continued,Being Facilitated by the N.M.B. From July-September,2007.
A.} With A Grievance Called The Change Of Control, {Snap Back} Violation, Scheduled for ARBITRATION-September 13-2007,Negotiations Broke Off & the Grievance Has TAKEN CENTER STAGE NOW.

4} What Are The Mechanics & Related Celebrating? Or Should We Celebrate? Good Question? COST NEUTRAL. :blink:

5} What Do You All Think Will Happen in the Future?

6} The Future For the WEST MECHANICS, Looks Like Another LONG HAUL,We Have Waited LONG ENOUGH. NOW IS THE TIME. Just trolling for Some NEW IDEA'S. Lets Hear From You ALL...

Game, Set and Match, Winner:700UW!

 

[Mr Eagle]

Better get your information from a better source who understands the RLA, normal negotiations cannot start until both parties exchange Section 6 Notices:





You are probably mixing up Mediation assistance with Section 6 Notices.

Section 6 notices are not filed with the NMB, they are exchanged by the company and the union.

From the NMB:



Prior to the merger, IBT and HP were in Section 6 Negotiations.

So TRANSITION Talks HAVE MORE POWER THEN Sec 6 ? Mr E.

 

[700UW]

No, read my prior post, oh wait, those are your words, LOL!!!!!!

 

[Mr Eagle]

Are you that dense?

The IBT and HP started Section 6 Negotiations in 2003.

Better have a good memory, here is your post:



Game, Set and Match, Winner:700UW!

DUDE Retire From Negotiations Please Do Every one a Favor. Mr E.

 

[700UW]

Own up to your words and admit you are wrong, be a man!

 

[Mr Eagle]

Own up to your words and admit you are wrong, be a man!

Please Forgive Me Mr NO IT ALL, I Have YET TO GET ANY CONFIRMATION FROM IBT OR IAM OF ANY LETTER THAT Confirms that The IBT WAS/OR IS IN Sec6 Neg's. Or Even Filed With The NMB, Remember Linda P Is In Washinton D.C.
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[Mr Eagle]

Own up to your words and admit you are wrong, be a man!

Thanks For Your Posting the RLA It Helps Everyone SEE The Process My Main Goal Was To Refresh This Forum/MEMBER's with The Process so We can all See Its a Little Easier When We Get KEY player's Such as AWA & 700 Etc involved to Help OTHER People MEMBER's See the Process & See How WE ALL CAN HELP OUT THE PROCESS OUT. I Do APPRECIATE EVERY ONE ON THIS FORUM.
Thanks For all Your Post's MR E.