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There is the problem with the working poor (especially those over 50). Can't get a job, don't have access to health care. The old mentality of 'anyone can get a job if they are willing' is now a myth. There are some exceptions, but as a rule, not many are hiring.
In Merika, Jail is the new medigap and bridge to Social Security.
Official number is 9.1% which does not include the people who gave up, homeless, or the unemployable.
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That story about the guy getting jailed to get healthcare is so full of crapola. He has free clinics in his own back yard.
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Reading this thread made me think. I'm in a philosophical mood tonight.
Let's suppose that Obamacare passes legal muster and is implemented in its current form. The current law requires a personal mandate to buy health insurance under penalty of law.
What happens if 1, 2, 3, 10 percent of the population openly defy the law? Will the Obama regime throw them in jail? No because there are not enough jail cells/ Or will he build interment camps for those who don't buy insurance?
Given the current job market for those over 50 the "Three Hots and a Cot" of a prison or interment camp is beginning to sound appealing.
I wonder if Eric Holder's Department of Corruptus has pondered the above scenario?
Let's suppose that Obamacare passes legal muster and is implemented in its current form. The current law requires a personal mandate to buy health insurance under penalty of law.
What happens if 1, 2, 3, 10 percent of the population openly defy the law? Will the Obama regime throw them in jail? No because there are not enough jail cells/ Or will he build interment camps for those who don't buy insurance?
Given the current job market for those over 50 the "Three Hots and a Cot" of a prison or interment camp is beginning to sound appealing.
I wonder if Eric Holder's Department of Corruptus has pondered the above scenario?
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NQ!
As usual that's NOT the point. If 5% of the population "just Say NO" to ObamaCare, there is to much money being lost and the Government will react? The open question is how will they react? Not whether or not all people who are convicted go to jail. 5% percent of the population means BILLIONS in lost Revenue and the Thugs in DC won't stand for that.
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I guess you really do not read your posts.
If jail was not the point of your post then why did you spend 2/3 of it talking about it?
There are billions in lost revenue from taxes not being paid. I suspect they know they will not get 100% compliance and even if they levy fines they will not get 100% of that either.
The system we have does not work. The republicans have not come up with any solutions. They had 6 yrs under Bush Jr and did nothing. The idea they have now favor the corporations that have their hands in the republicans pockets.
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Would you like to view a real solution based on the COTUS which guarantees our God Given Liberty?
Making Healthcare Safe and Affordable
As recently as the 1960s, low-cost health insurance was available to virtually everyone in America - including people with existing medical problems. Doctors made house calls. A hospital stay cost only a few days' pay. Charity hospitals were available to take care of families who could not afford to pay for healthcare.
Since then the federal government has increasingly intervened through Medicare, Medicaid, the HMO Act and tens of thousands of regulations on doctors, hospitals and health-insurance companies.
Today, more than 50 percent of all healthcare dollars are spent by the government.
Health insurance costs are skyrocketing. Government health programs are heading for bankruptcy. Politicians continue to pile on the regulations.
The Libertarian Party knows the only healthcare reforms that will make a real difference are those that draw on the strength of the free market.
The Libertarian Party will work towards the following:
1. Establish Medical Saving Accounts.
Under this program, you could deposit tax-free money into a Medical Savings Account (MSA). Whenever you need the money to pay medical bills, you will be able to withdraw it. For individuals without an MSA, the Libertarian Party will work to make all healthcare expenditures 100 percent tax deductible.
2. Deregulate the healthcare industry.
We should repeal all government policies that increase health costs and decrease the availability of medical services. For example, every state has laws that mandate coverage of specific disabilities and diseases. These laws reduce consumer choice and increase the cost of health insurance. By making insurance more expensive, mandated benefits increase the number of uninsured American workers.
3. Remove barriers to safe, affordable medicines.
We should replace harmful government agencies like the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) with more agile, free-market alternatives. The mission of the FDA is to protect us from unsafe medicines. In fact, the FDA has driven up healthcare costs and deprived millions of Americans of much-needed treatments. For example, during a 10-year delay in approving Propanolol Propranolol (a heart medication for treating angina and hypertension), approximately 100,000 people died who could have been treated with this lifesaving drug. Bureaucratic roadblocks kill sick Americans.
I am working on buying the winning lottery ticket tonight...For individuals without an MSA, the Libertarian Party will work to make all healthcare expenditures 100 percent tax deductible.
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Thank you for that scintillating pearl of wisdom, besides the PowerBall was last night. Might explain why you haven't won.
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Wow. Where to start.
drugs for HIV cost thousands of dollars a month. Drugs for other diseases are eequally expensive. MSA cover it but I doubt it. BTW is this on top of paying for health insurance? Not sure how My peoeple would be able to make those payments to save.
What happens when the insurance companies decide not to cover certain conditions? They already do not accept people with pre existing conditions. My dad cannot vet out of Kaiser till 2014 assuming the universal health care record does not get repealed. It will only increase the choice for the folks who are health. Those who are sick are screwed.
Sure. Let tbe companies police them selves. What could vo wrong with that?
Count me in on the lotto picket
drugs for HIV cost thousands of dollars a month. Drugs for other diseases are eequally expensive. MSA cover it but I doubt it. BTW is this on top of paying for health insurance? Not sure how My peoeple would be able to make those payments to save.
What happens when the insurance companies decide not to cover certain conditions? They already do not accept people with pre existing conditions. My dad cannot vet out of Kaiser till 2014 assuming the universal health care record does not get repealed. It will only increase the choice for the folks who are health. Those who are sick are screwed.
Sure. Let tbe companies police them selves. What could vo wrong with that?
Count me in on the lotto picket
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Ask yourself WHY this is so? 50% of all Health Care dollars are spent by the government. In business a 50% Market Share amounts to a monopoly and there is where the bulk of the problem lies. Face it! You've neverheard a CEO say "Gee We're inefficient let's go hire some civil servants to improve productivity". Who stops the US Citizen for going to another country to get prescriptions at half the cost? Eli Lilly? or the Government? Who delays the introduction of life saving drugs? Novartis or the Government? Has the FDA really improved the safety of drugs? Judging from the cottage industry of class action lawsuits against drug companies for selling dangerous FDA approved drugs the answer would be a resounding NO!
Sadly life is often cruel and unfair. I've known this since my Dad passed when I was 13 from an illness sustained while serving his country in Japan during the Army of Occupation. The role of the Federal Government is to provide me with as clean a playing field as is humanly possible allowing me the opportunity to live freely and seek my fame and fortune as I so desire within the confines of the law.
The role of Charity, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Secular or otherwise is to protect and take care of those who were injured on Life's Playing Field and can no longer compete effectively. We need Charities. Back before the government tried to become our shepherd, the wealthy would build entire hospitals and fund them as well. My life was likely saved by such a hospital a few years back. NEVER asked for a dime, just took what insurance paid. No deductible, Nada, zip, zilch AND it's one of the top hospitals in the country for heart and lung conditions, so please don't tell me the old way doesn't work, because it does.
There are legal remedies to sleazy insurance companies. There is also this thing Al Gore invented called the internet that can be used to address one's grievances with a corporation. With businesses large and small the Court of Public Opinion is by far the most powerful court in the land. Many is the HMO that has been shall we say "Educated" as to the value of breaking a policy to allow a procedure costing 100's of thousands of dollars that is clearly legally not covered in order to avoid bad publicity.
I think you'd be very surprised just how well the companies would behave. Here's why. It's good business not to be sued by every Ambulance Chasing PI Lawyer from Blaine, WA to Key West. Remember the key to a winning lawsuit is "Deep Pockets" which makes Health Care and Insurance Companies prime targets. Thanks to the sleazy lawyers who help keep them at least semi-honest.
One thing I would add to the Libertarian Platform is a law that counts health insurance premiums as income along with a provision that outlaws group coverage. Every person above the age of 18 who decides to purchase insurance has to purchase it as an individual or as part of a family policy covering a married couple and their children. Domestic Partner coverage would be permitted if an insurance company desired to offer it. This way it forces people to take responsibility. You have a couple hundred million individual shoppers searching for the best deal you'll get lower cost and better service and maybe even live longer because you won't be going up to Culver's for that yummy Butter Burger, fries, onion rings and 44 once coke like I'm going to do as soon as I finish this post.
