More mechanical woes at NWA

[big jimmy]

You are so far off base it is unreal.

Do let us know about the MEL CSAR. It was on a 55 series 57. I think it was row 21 R/H.

:down: I see you haven't gone far scab boy! Thought your scab carrer was over?

 

[Kev3188]

"It was on a 55 series 57."

So is that a B757???

Yes.

Our 757-200's are numbered either "55xx" or "56xx."

The -300's are "58xx."

 

[High Iron]

😛h34r: 😛h34r: You might be right. Kinda wierd for a Jarhead vet to be running his mouth constantly about the analogy civilian vs military. Most of us kinda wanna forget those days...

I never heard my father run his mouth about how working at the post office is just like being in 'Nam........
(plus they don't allow combat pay. I think that should be in our next T/A... issue of combat pay...)

Astute observation. I've worked with a couple of the types you describe. A few loose screws upstairs for sure. Too bad some are mal-adjusted. The vast majority of ex-military people I've worked with have their heads srcewed on straight and are a pleasure to work with, displaying none of the bombast described above.

 

[local 12 proud]

Astute observation. I've worked with a couple of the types you describe. A few loose screws upstairs for sure. Too bad some are mal-adjusted. The vast majority of ex-military people I've worked with have their heads srcewed on straight and are a pleasure to work with, displaying none of the bombast described above.

You'll have to overlook the CSAR, he's just a little too smart for his breeches. after all he is a self proclaimed Genius...

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

😛h34r: 😛h34r: You might be right. Kinda wierd for a Jarhead vet to be running his mouth constantly about the analogy civilian vs military. Most of us kinda wanna forget those days...

I never heard my father run his mouth about how working at the post office is just like being in 'Nam........
(plus they don't allow combat pay. I think that should be in our next T/A... issue of combat pay...)

Fair enough,I'm an open minded kinda guy. In the interest of clarification, could you give SPECIFIC attitudes and traits that I have ascribed to the Military that you find so offensive as to believe it has no place in civilian aviation? Is it rugged individualism? Is it a can-do attitude? Is it a refusal to lower standards?
I understand that your immediate reply is to say "A scab doesnt have ANY of these traits", but that is not my question. SPECIFICALLY, what have I said about military service do you feel is harmful to the way busines is currently being conducted here at NWA?
I am given to conclude that my continous comparison of military and civilian has stuck a nerve for some reason, based on the recent rash of posts denigrating said comments. Do you disagree with the specifics of my comparisons, or is it just because I crossed a picket line, and has nothing to do with my arguments? In an effort to better understand what I said that has so irked many of you, I have gone back and re-read many of my posts regarding this topic. Perhaps I just dont understand the civilian mindset, so I am willing to listen to well articulated, meaningful counter points. If all you can do is denigrate into juvenile namecalling as opposed to ACTUAL debate, then you probably have nothing worth listening to.
Jenny, this isnt an attack on you specifically, but simply a blanket post to all here.
Thanks again kiddo.

 

[777 fixer]

Fair enough,I'm an open minded kinda guy. In the interest of clarification, could you give SPECIFIC attitudes and traits that I have ascribed to the Military that you find so offensive as to believe it has no place in civilian aviation? Is it rugged individualism? Is it a can-do attitude? Is it a refusal to lower standards?
I understand that your immediate reply is to say "A scab doesnt have ANY of these traits", but that is not my question. SPECIFICALLY, what have I said about military service do you feel is harmful to the way busines is currently being conducted here at NWA?
I am given to conclude that my continous comparison of military and civilian has stuck a nerve for some reason, based on the recent rash of posts denigrating said comments. Do you disagree with the specifics of my comparisons, or is it just because I crossed a picket line, and has nothing to do with my arguments? In an effort to better understand what I said that has so irked many of you, I have gone back and re-read many of my posts regarding this topic. Perhaps I just dont understand the civilian mindset, so I am willing to listen to well articulated, meaningful counter points. If all you can do is denigrate into juvenile namecalling as opposed to ACTUAL debate, then you probably have nothing worth listening to.

Rugged individualism? Usually the military does'nt want a bunch of people who view themselves as "rugged individuals". I believe that's the whole point of boot camp. Take a bunch of "rugged individuals" and make them into a team.

I get the impression that at times you forget that you are no longer in the military. In fact you said you don't understand the "civilian mindset". Hate to break the news to you but you are a civilian. Yes certain things you can carry over to the civlian world. However you have already figured out that you can't run, lets say an airline, like a military unit. Or vice versa for that matter.

It seems to me that you would be much happier back in the Marines. Maybe you should look into it. Or if that's not an option for whatever reason look to getting a job with a company like Bell Helicopter. They're ramping up prodcution on the V-22 and the updated version of the Cobra and Huey. Maybe you could get a job as a tech rep. it would probably be a better fit for you than the airline industry.

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

Rugged individualism? Usually the military does'nt want a bunch of people who view themselves as "rugged individuals". I believe that's the whole point of boot camp. Take a bunch of "rugged individuals" and make them into a team.

I get the impression that at times you forget that you are no longer in the military. In fact you said you don't understand the "civilian mindset". Hate to break the news to you but you are a civilian. Yes certain things you can carry over to the civlian world. However you have already figured out that you can't run, lets say an airline, like a military unit. Or vice versa for that matter.

It seems to me that you would be much happier back in the Marines. Maybe you should look into it. Or if that's not an option for whatever reason look to getting a job with a company like Bell Helicopter. They're ramping up prodcution on the V-22 and the updated version of the Cobra and Huey. Maybe you could get a job as a tech rep. it would probably be a better fit for you than the airline industry.

You are very correct in all you have stated with one exception. The single biggest difference between the us military and most of the rest of the world, is the fact that from flag grade officers down to the lowest privates, we are taught to be able to function fully on our own in the event command and control is lost. Whether participating in regimental size manuevers, or a 2 man sniper team, we all must be willing to function at one hundred percent. History is full of examples of small units, isolated from the rest of thier command, who, to the individual, rose to the challenge. It is to this that I was refering.
I did get a call to go to PAX river and work on developing the ZULU model hueys and Cobras. The only reason I turned it down was because I wasnt thrilled about living in Maryland. This was before I ws offered the position here at NWA. If Sikorsky has need of more field reps to attach to forward deployed units, I would be SORELY tempted. In the mean time, I am commited to fulfilling my mission here at NWA. At the conclusion of that mission, successful or otherwise, I will then re-evaluate the options.
As an aside, I was reading an article in FORBES magazine about the success of Home Depot. Apparently, they DO run that company much like the military. The ceo, if I remember correctly, was a retired Army full bird Colonel. Home Depot, according to the article, has one of the highest percentages of vets employed there.
At any rate, I appreciate your comments, and wish you well.

 

[777 fixer]

You are very correct in all you have stated with one exception. The single biggest difference between the us military and most of the rest of the world, is the fact that from flag grade officers down to the lowest privates, we are taught to be able to function fully on our own in the event command and control is lost. Whether participating in regimental size manuevers, or a 2 man sniper team, we all must be willing to function at one hundred percent. History is full of examples of small units, isolated from the rest of thier command, who, to the individual, rose to the challenge. It is to this that I was refering.
I did get a call to go to PAX river and work on developing the ZULU model hueys and Cobras. The only reason I turned it down was because I wasnt thrilled about living in Maryland. This was before I ws offered the position here at NWA. If Sikorsky has need of more field reps to attach to forward deployed units, I would be SORELY tempted. In the mean time, I am commited to fulfilling my mission here at NWA. At the conclusion of that mission, successful or otherwise, I will then re-evaluate the options.
As an aside, I was reading an article in FORBES magazine about the success of Home Depot. Apparently, they DO run that company much like the military. The ceo, if I remember correctly, was a retired Army full bird Colonel. Home Depot, according to the article, has one of the highest percentages of vets employed there.
At any rate, I appreciate your comments, and wish you well.

You turned down a job working on the Zulu program but then took one at NWA? I'm not trying to be a jerk but that sounds like a bad decision. If you had been willing to "suffer" a bit in Maryland it might have leed to bigger and better things. At the very least it would have been more stable than NWA. An airline that even before the strike was obviously headed for BK. You did'nt want to live in Maryland but were perfectly willing to live in MSP or DTW? I find that a bit strange.

 

[Don Smith]

If Sikorsky has need of more field reps to attach to forward deployed units, I would be SORELY tempted.

You know Csar I have a former co-worker in Afganistan right now pulling down $135K tax-free. He doesn't have a family so its perfect for him. He's working on helicopters in a safe zone. So off you go...

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

You know Csar I have a former co-worker in Afganistan right now pulling down $135K tax-free. He doesn't have a family so its perfect for him. He's working on helicopters in a safe zone. So off you go...

LORD, you have NO IDEA how bad I was tempted to go! (I also have several friends over there in both civilian and active duty status). My daughters blew a gasket when I told them however, so I had to turn it down.

 

[Don Smith]

LORD, you have NO IDEA how bad I was tempted to go! (I also have several friends over there in both civilian and active duty status). My daughters blew a gasket when I told them however, so I had to turn it down.

Too bad. Pax River on the other hand is a great place. The Chesapeke Bay, the ocean...no brainer as far as I'm concerned...unless you thing those air force guys and navy kids won't take to no jarhead.

 

[local 12 proud]

My daughters blew a gasket when I told them however, so I had to turn it down.

Instead told them daddy was going to be a SCAB and they did back flips! :down: way to show those girls what a real Marine is you coward whale dung!

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

Too bad. Pax River on the other hand is a great place. The Chesapeke Bay, the ocean...no brainer as far as I'm concerned...unless you thing those air force guys and navy kids won't take to no jarhead.

I remember way back when that PAX River was THE choice assignment on the East Coast. I visited that area a few times back in the late seventies, and found it most enjoyable...to visit. This particular job offer was a few years ago, and the pay did not adequetly meet the high cost of living. It was also a little farther from frinds and famly than I wanted to be.

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

Instead told them daddy was going to be a SCAB and they did back flips! :down: way to show those girls what a real Marine is you coward whale dung!

Local, Such a comment is beneath you. We both know you are a better man than that.
I would also opine that few people under the age of 25 really get worked up about labor anymore. In a recent survey organised labor ranked in the bottom 10 percent of most trusted institutions. Please dont take this as a slam, but a large majority of young Americans know little, and care less, about unionism.
(the survey, a zogby, I believe, was reported on Mike Medved's show a couple of weeks ago. I will try and find more info. Until then, I understand your sceptisism in anecdotal reporting)

 

[CSAR GYRENE]

Local, Such a comment is beneath you. We both know you are a better man than that.
I would also opine that few people under the age of 25 really get worked up about labor anymore. In a recent survey organised labor ranked in the bottom 10 percent of most trusted institutions. Please dont take this as a slam, but a large majority of young Americans know little, and care less, about unionism.
(the survey, a zogby, I believe, was reported on Mike Medved's show a couple of weeks ago. I will try and find more info. Until then, I understand your sceptisism in anecdotal reporting)

It was a harris poll, some time in March which said that only 10 percent of americans trusted organised labor. Ironically, at least for this site, the highest ranking organisation was the US Military, At 47 percent. The lowest was, not surprisingly, lawers. HMmmph...go figure.

It was a harris poll, some time in March which said that only 10 percent of americans trusted organised labor. Ironically, at least for this site, the highest ranking organisation was the US Military, At 47 percent. The lowest was, not surprisingly, lawers. HMmmph...go figure.

Sory, I was mistaken. Labor came in at 12 percent, Lawers and congress came in at 10. Big media a whopping 14.