more micromanagement?

[flygirl74]

We had a little girl pee on a seat cushion. The mom was nice enough to let us know about it. When the cleaner came on to replace the cushion, a supervisor came on too. When he realized that we were "east" he calmed down. I asked him what the big deal was. He said that on the "west" if a cushion needs to be replaced, a cleaner CANNOT replace it. It has to be entered into the logbook and a mechanic has to do it then sign off the logbook. Can anyone confirm/deny this?? I'm not trying to start another flame thread but I'm hoping this is not true..... :blink:

 

[Squonk]

It's True! Did you expect anything less?

 

[DesertFA66]

We had a little girl pee on a seat cushion. The mom was nice enough to let us know about it. When the cleaner came on to replace the cushion, a supervisor came on too. When he realized that we were "east" he calmed down. I asked him what the big deal was. He said that on the "west" if a cushion needs to be replaced, a cleaner CANNOT replace it. It has to be entered into the logbook and a mechanic has to do it then sign off the logbook. Can anyone confirm/deny this?? I'm not trying to start another flame thread but I'm hoping this is not true..... :blink:

Yes. Technically it is a maintenance function in the west and must be logged. Often times it may be taken care of verbally, but is most always taken care of by maintenance. This is because the entire cushion is replaced and not just the cover. The cushion is a regulated item that affects the integrity of the seat therefore it goes the maintenance area...specifically..the aircraft interiors part of maintenance.

 

[DesertFA66]

BUT WAIT!!!! Isn't US Airways a Low Cost Carrier??

Having a procedure like the one described above ADDS cost for no valid business purpose.

I've often observed in my career that the reason companies micromanage is because they don't trust their employees and the reason for that usually is that those at the top realize they are lying, thieving, rat bastards of the first order. So naturally in their minds the employees must therefore be the same. :down:

Not referring to US Airways Management of course 😛

Read my post again.

 

[allstrike]

Bob,you dont understand,its a contract thing.West has the seat cushions and covers under there interior mechanic scope.Plus the cushion itself is an airworthiness item,no cushion that will float,no pax in that seat.
East just changes the cover or the whole thing....not a big deal.But technically it could be logged.🙂

 

[AWA320]

We had a little girl pee on a seat cushion. The mom was nice enough to let us know about it. When the cleaner came on to replace the cushion, a supervisor came on too. When he realized that we were "east" he calmed down. I asked him what the big deal was. He said that on the "west" if a cushion needs to be replaced, a cleaner CANNOT replace it. It has to be entered into the logbook and a mechanic has to do it then sign off the logbook. Can anyone confirm/deny this?? I'm not trying to start another flame thread but I'm hoping this is not true..... :blink:

Rarely flygirl and I mean rarely do we ever enter this in the log book. A call is place to maint for a wet seat and the first thing that's asked upon arrival is did you put this in the book? Answer why? It's a waste of paper. One day I will have to tell you how your FAA POI's work and some of the dumb sht they come up with.

Now I will tell you that for some reason in the airbus I can't get a east cushion. I tried to do this out of MCO and was told that they can be interchanged.

 

[diogenes]

We had a little girl pee on a seat cushion. The mom was nice enough to let us know about it. When the cleaner came on to replace the cushion, a supervisor came on too. When he realized that we were "east" he calmed down. I asked him what the big deal was. He said that on the "west" if a cushion needs to be replaced, a cleaner CANNOT replace it. It has to be entered into the logbook and a mechanic has to do it then sign off the logbook. Can anyone confirm/deny this?? I'm not trying to start another flame thread but I'm hoping this is not true..... :blink:

You gotta be kidding! Dang, I thought East was screwed up.

 

[kao]

We had a little girl pee on a seat cushion. The mom was nice enough to let us know about it. When the cleaner came on to replace the cushion, a supervisor came on too. When he realized that we were "east" he calmed down. I asked him what the big deal was. He said that on the "west" if a cushion needs to be replaced, a cleaner CANNOT replace it. It has to be entered into the logbook and a mechanic has to do it then sign off the logbook. Can anyone confirm/deny this?? I'm not trying to start another flame thread but I'm hoping this is not true..... :blink:

it is true...it is a contractual issue...

 

[USPHLElite]

...

Another interesting point to compare and contrast, one carrier is highly successful using SHARES and the other can't make it work on any level with consistency & reliability.

..Actually CO still has many shortfalls including the standby list, mis-connects/reroutes.. They do seem to be able to work throuth it a little better. SHAREs should just go away IMO.

 

[Awa Contract]

We replace seat cushions all the time with out it being in the log book - just depends on the crew and if they put it in the book. The crews are told if they call it in on the radio it needs to be in the book, but some still use common sense. Cleaners on the west side do not touch cushions or any other aircraft parts, they pick up trash and clean that is it. We have the interior mechanics and when they are to busy line Mx handles it. Piney you were way wrong this time.

 

[midnightmech]

believe me , a west a/c does not enter my station with a damp seat cushion, or ANYTHING else, without the crew writing it the flight log. Usually not passing it along to OPS or PHX or MTX or the oncoming crew, oh yea, its a surprise! Oh yea, and PHX does not stock the seat cushions/covers units here either....

 

[JAXPax]

I'd caution some passengers here to not go off on management this time around without all the facts.

It is the case at several airlines, and it's FAA not airline choice. As these flotation cushions are pieces of safety equipment, and have part numbers/serial numbers, replacement requires a logbook entry. The airline I work for recently got into some FAA trouble for swapping a seat cushion without logging it.

I'm sure HP management would rather not have to go through the procedure. The East POI must not care or they aren't under that constraint. But I am certain even management on the West side would rather not add this sort of administration and work by choice.

 

[Dorf]

We replace seat cushions all the time with out it being in the log book - just depends on the crew and if they put it in the book. The crews are told if they call it in on the radio it needs to be in the book, but some still use common sense.

So, what you are saying is that some west crews violate FAA required procedures?

 

[midnightmech]

every type of a/c, be it an A-319, 320, 321, 737-300,737-400, 757-200,767-200 and different varients of each the we operate have different seats installed, therfore require different seat cushions installed and in differnt positions, i.e- emergency exit rows.That is why you unfortunatly have to be cautious with seat cushions, they are not interchangeable and not universal.

 

[hp_fa]

We replace seat cushions all the time with out it being in the log book - just depends on the crew and if they put it in the book. The crews are told if they call it in on the radio it needs to be in the book, but some still use common sense.

Also, sometimes the flight deck is long gone before the FA's tidying the aircraft find the offending wet seat...