Mr. Parker Delta plus 7

[WeAAsles]

The problem with the Drummond letter is that it just came from Drummond. The Association is not at all acting as if the are the authorized representative of the joint TWU/IAM membership. Is there an Association communication representative? Will the TWU be issuing their own communication and the IAM their's?  These independent actions do not convey unity within the Association. Is there a structure and bylaws to how the Association functions? If there is the TWU isn't following it. How about a joint TWU/IAM communication as to they fully intend to making it's members the best compensated?

You might be reading too much into things? The IAM both Districts 141 and 142 were busy this week with their District Conventions. That letter came out before the new Parker plus 3 CLT roadshow was released. Also if you notice a copy was sent to Tim Klima with the IAM. I doubt that anyone was disturbed by that letter personally.

 

[dfw gen]

The problem with the Drummond letter is that it just came from Drummond. The Association is not at all acting as if the are the authorized representative of the joint TWU/IAM membership. Is there an Association communication representative? Will the TWU be issuing their own communication and the IAM their's?  These independent actions do not convey unity within the Association. Is there a structure and bylaws to how the Association functions? If there is the TWU isn't following it. How about a joint TWU/IAM communication as to they fully intend to making it's members the best compensated?

Your funny when the fix is in they will tell us what will happen. Don't think the suitcase of cash has been passed under the table yet.

Twu and iam both suck combined they are worse.

 

[Overspeed]

The Drummond letter wording is clear that he is acting on behalf of the TWU, not the Association. While he CC'd in Klima why was not a joint communication sent out? Because it is obvious, he reacted to membership preassure. That's good.
 
The perception that Drummond projects with his letter is not one of unity, it is one of the independence within the Association. Where is the Association masthead? Where is the, "On behalf of the members of the Association...?" Because the TWU and IAM are not thinking or operating that way. We all know it, stop denying it and deal with it. Fix it. If the response is always to be, "Don't critize, just do what we say," then we are screwed as memebrs. The messaging I am reading now from a lot of TWU supporters sounds like we are being prepared to be underwhelmed. While I was supportive of TWU positions in 2010 and later in 2012 during BK now is the time to get all we can get. DL+3??? Not good enough and if the negotiating position is push for less so we can get paid now, that's extremely disappointing. We deserve an industry best contract when every analyst in the know predicts five years of profitablity. Parker knows this and that is why he is anxious to get a deal done. The only good thing that came from the 591 anti-Association tactics is that they have now put us where we are now. At a time when AA stands to make record breaking profits. This should be an easy negotaition in terms of Parker can't claim poverty. They have $10B in the bank and another close to $6B on the way. DL+7 is still his starting point and ours should be higher. AA stands to have the lowest MX costs with all the new aircraft coming every day. Sure they have lease payments but we are replacing 757s and MD80s that are deep in to the life cycle. The Association should not allow AA to reap all that value of lower MX needs, cheaper fuel, and lower cockpit crew costs. AA will save a lot in MX CASM and fuel burn that will undoubtedly offset the lease payments. I hope we have a finance person hired.
 
If the Association really wants our support, ask for the best, don't talk us down, and get us the contract we all deserve after a decade of getting screwed. Get a strategy together, get us onboard, and help us understand our role.

 

[WeAAsles]

The Drummond letter wording is clear that he is acting on behalf of the TWU, not the Association. While he CC'd in Klima why was not a joint communication sent out? Because it is obvious, he reacted to membership preassure. That's good.
 
The perception that Drummond projects with his letter is not one of unity, it is one of the independence within the Association. Where is the Association masthead? Where is the, "On behalf of the members of the Association...?" Because the TWU and IAM are not thinking or operating that way. We all know it, stop denying it and deal with it. Fix it. If the response is always to be, "Don't criticize, just do what we say," then we are screwed as members. The messaging I am reading now from a lot of TWU supporters sounds like we are being prepared to be underwhelmed. While I was supportive of TWU positions in 2010 and later in 2012 during BK now is the time to get all we can get. DL+3??? Not good enough and if the negotiating position is push for less so we can get paid now, that's extremely disappointing. We deserve an industry best contract when every analyst in the know predicts five years of profitability. Parker knows this and that is why he is anxious to get a deal done. The only good thing that came from the 591 anti-Association tactics is that they have now put us where we are now. At a time when AA stands to make record breaking profits. This should be an easy negotiation in terms of Parker can't claim poverty. They have $10B in the bank and another close to $6B on the way. DL+7 is still his starting point and ours should be higher. AA stands to have the lowest MX costs with all the new aircraft coming every day. Sure they have lease payments but we are replacing 757s and MD80s that are deep in to the life cycle. The Association should not allow AA to reap all that value of lower MX needs, cheaper fuel, and lower cockpit crew costs. AA will save a lot in MX CASM and fuel burn that will undoubtedly offset the lease payments. I hope we have a finance person hired.
 
If the Association really wants our support, ask for the best, don't talk us down, and get us the contract we all deserve after a decade of getting screwed. Get a strategy together, get us onboard, and help us understand our role.

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I love it! I highlighted my favorite parts. I only crossed out one line since I know it was directed at me.

You got it wrong. I want AT LEAST Delta PLUS 7% (He said it and he should live up to it) I don't think the 8% match to the 401k they have is enough. It should be higher. I want my medical, deductibles and prescription costs CAPPED. (The company is self insured so they can figure it out) I want some type of subsidized Pre 65 bridge medical plan (Something using my sick bank is fine by me but I want my hours maxed out) And I want at least our Cabin Service jobs back. The old AA STOLE those jobs from us in the BK and I want them back.

I DO NOT want to give the company any more productivity improvements subsidized by my back. So I want ALL of that and I want even MORE!!!!!!

Is that a little more clear O/S?

 

[DallasConehead]

Here we go, mechanics are gonna pay so you can get cabin service jobs.  More Jobs for Less $. Bad tactic.

 

[WeAAsles]

Here we go, mechanics are gonna pay so you can get cabin service jobs.  More Jobs for Less $. Bad tactic.

Did I saying ANYTHING about Less $?

Your negotiators are in a seperate room from ours. Keep them there.

 

[DallasConehead]

Flow troughs goof ball.... yes sirree bob,,, we gonna get us some cabin service back yeeee haaaahhh.. Idiot.

 

[Buck]

Here we go, mechanics are gonna pay so you can get cabin service jobs.  More Jobs for Less $. Bad tactic.

This has always been a tactic of the TWU. Why would an increase in pay equate to an increase in Union Revenue?

 

[WeAAsles]

Flow troughs goof ball.... yes sirree bob,,, we gonna get us some cabin service back yeeee haaaahhh.. Idiot.

Over and over you guys say that we're too involved in your business and now that I say go sail on your own, you got a problem with that.

Make up your mind and when it comes to OUR negotiations, mind your own business. Doofus.

 

[conehead777]

Over and over you guys say that we're too involved in your business and now that I say go sail on your own, you got a problem with that.

Make up your mind and when it comes to OUR negotiations, mind your own business. Doofus.

no dallas conehead knows how the twu works they continuasly screw the mechanic because theres fleet service presidents voting on our contract. and you are involved in mechanics issues when you get in the amfa debate amfa has nothing to do with you. its a mechanics issue so follow your advise and stay out of it . and mind your on business 

 

[Buck]

That's the problem with the TWU and there type of Socialistic Unionism. They do not know nor understand how to stay out of others affairs. 

 

[AANOTOK]

no dallas conehead knows how the twu works they continuasly screw the mechanic because theres fleet service presidents voting on our contract. and you are involved in mechanics issues when you get in the amfa debate amfa has nothing to do with you. its a mechanics issue so follow your advise and stay out of it . and mind your on business 

And every time you and yours mention Fleet, whether it be we make too much, riding your coattail, we are always near the top, take from mechanics to give to Fleet, bag thrower this, bag smasher that etc etc etc, well, you just involved me. AMFA, I'm all with/for you guys, but as long as Fleet is in your vocabulary, you have invited me into your discussion.

 

[swamt]

By the time this ass gets to a completed JCBA you guys will be down to no raise at all.  With Parker back pedaling from the Delta plus 7 now down to the Delta plus 3% as the ass drags out the nego's process soon Parker will be down to just matching Delta +0%.  I am surprised the union(s) are not doing informational picketing about Parker back pedaling from D+7 down to now D+3. Some guys has posted that,"oh well, we will still be making 47, that's still good money."  What he doesn't realize is that's 2 bucks per every single hour worked in reg, O/T, D/T, T/T and so on.  It will not be compounded in ANY future % increases that the union might gain. The 4% being removed is 2 bucks an hour, 4,160.00 per year and every year afterwards, plus the compounding of the percentile of ALL future % raises.  In a simple 5 year contract (as an example) every mech just lost a minimum of 20,800.  Not counting any O/T worked or the loss of percentile for the next contract, but rest assured it is a lost for every 5 years in the future of 20,800. In 20 years it comes to well over 100,000.  Now to the guy that posted no big deal we will still be making good money, now how does it look??   Look at the whole picture not just the immediate future or now... 

 

[1AA]

The association is not even at the table with Parker. You suggested informational picket over the Delta plus 7 back peddling? I'm still wondering what happened to the negotiations that were to start 30 days after the certification of the association.

 

[Overspeed]

APFA President Glading already stated she met with Parker. Maybe the guard at HDQ won't let anyone from the TWU or IAM enter the building.
 
The TWU and IAM weren't doing anythng joint before the NMB approval of the Association. I assume some of the delay is due to the late start of joint meetings.