New AA Union Drive
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TWU INFORMER, VERY WELL SAID! Dont hold back, how do you really feel? LOL Awesome. Those Major Flaws are meerly the foundation and structure of the TWU.
OgieJFK
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Well put Informer. I would love it if the FSC's dumped the TWU as our representatives. Any mech that doesn't sign a card is crazy in my eyes. Just look at the constitution of the AMP....it puts the power of a union back where it rightfully belongs....the membership. With that constitution, no one would be able to pull a "Gillespie" to get a cushy job for life. I envy you guys. Good luck guys.
PS..Informer, hope all is better on the home front brother. Still in my families prayers.
Ok, guys. Enough is enough. 
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We now have 6 active threads about the TWU TA and/or the AMP card drive. Some of you are posting the same reply on every thread. Please do not start anymore threads on either subject. Trust that the thought you just had or the newspaper/Internet article you just found about either subject is probably not unique enough to require a separate thread. Just add it to one of the threads as a new comment.One other thing that one of you forgot...Public comment about moderator actions is an automatic 14-day suspension. If you are not familiar with the AirlineForums.com rules, they are posted at the top of the American Airline forum. Please read them.
I noticed the AMP flyers were disappearing from the bb's. I happened to remember a copy of J. Orlando's memo, which I have, that instructed the shop stewards to "pull down all AMFA material and keep it down" and to keep flooding the floor with their anti AMFA propaganda. I would be very disappointed to not see a repeat of the good ol days when riling the TWU was just as much a sport as a mission.
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Does AMP fall under the rules of the Railway Labor Act?
The RLA covers airlines and railroads when AMP is certified at AA they wiil fall under the rules of the RLA.
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Ok thanks. So we could essentially find ourselves under the same scenario we are under today with the TWU. What would be different in supposed future bargaining sessions if represented under the AMP?
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For starters, elected officers (intl) who are accountable through elections and have term limits would end the sellouts.
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You missed the point! We are at the threshold of a TA brought to us under the rules of the RLA...How would we be in a different situation if represented under the AMP?
I am going to assume you are just trolling but if your not ask yourself this
1 Under Amp constitution Jim Little Bob Gless Don Viedetich and all other international officers could be recalled do you think they would be? In my mind i have no doubt they would.
2 Under AMP we would hire professionals to work with our negoiaters to get the best contract possiable now while I am no fan of binding abritration put yourselfin a neutral third parties shoes we gave back 330 million in concessions a year since 03 we have shed over 3000 additional jobs over that same period that they have not replaced they are on the record as stating that the work rule changes and working together saved them more than 500 million in Tulsa and they continue to reap those cost improvments to this day. ther was also cost savings in afw mci and I can go on after all this plus the company came in and ask for a cost neutral contract in other words 3more years of the same old concessions.
Ok but they are giving raises well it's like taking money out your left pocket and giving it back so you can put it back in the right look at the scope language look at the veeba trust look at the ASM seven day coverage the new hires pensions retiree medical creating a new pay scale for certain mechanics and I can go on.
Would you as a neutral third party feel this is fair?
Now I know who you are and I know you are not stupid!
Hoenstly you want to know what the difference is or why I was on that corner.
Please don't insult me.
comatose
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Pitbull, don't waste you time your talking to the one we can't vote out now. He's got nothing to lose but his six digit income from our dues collection agency.
How would it be different under the RLA and Represented by AMP?
1) Jim Little, on behalf of the TWU International, claimed, and was adjudicated by the Federal Courts, to be the owner of the AA-TWU Contract for the Maintenance & Related:
A) The ability to set the conditions under which the contract is negotiated are owned by the TWU International.
B) The ability to decide whom negotiates your contract is owned by the TWU International.
C) The ability to vote on interim changes, Letters of Agreement, is owned by the TWU International.
D) The ability to read final language of any proposed CBA is owned by the TWU International.
2) Under the AMP Constitution: we would own our own contract.
A) The Membership votes to set the conditions and priorities under which OUR contract is negotiated.
B) The Membership votes to decide whom negiates the contract and what types of outside help we need for that process to be successfully conducted.
C) The Membership votes on whether or not there will be interim changes to any CBA.
D) The Membership can not only view negotiations as they are actually conducted, but, gets the actual agreement prior to voting on it.
We could go on, and on, and on...but I think you see that if we go AMP: Brother, you might have to get involved in more than reading the sports section of the paper and the highlight sheet published by your local.
The structure of the TWU international with its untouchable, unaccountable leadership, and their six figure incomes - makes the temptation of selling us short for personal gain that much more plausible. That is why...
