New AA Union Drive

[1AA]

Not one person I have talked to even knows who AMP is. You could be college kids sitting in your bedroom for all I know. At least AMFA had informational meetings so we could talk to the people in charge. I am not going to sign my career away to someone who might be a high school drop out. Those are the people we have now negotiating our contracts.

AMFA has been around since the 1960's. Everyone at this point has heard of them in one way or another. The AMP has been around for less than a month. What do you expect? A full page ad in the New York Times?

 

[Birdman]

Not one person I have talked to even knows who AMP is. You could be college kids sitting in your bedroom for all I know. At least AMFA had informational meetings so we could talk to the people in charge. I am not going to sign my career away to someone who might be a high school drop out. Those are the people we have now negotiating our contracts.

You really need to turn the lights on in your cave. From the AMP website: Q. Is this just AMFA by another name?

A. No. This is an independent union formed by AA mechanics. It is not affiliated with AMFA in any way.

 

[texasreb]

You really need to turn the lights on in your cave. From the AMP website: Q. Is this just AMFA by another name?

A. No. This is an independent union formed by AA mechanics. It is not affiliated with AMFA in any way.

Who are these AA mechanics you speak of? I know a lot of AA mechanics that I would not trust to work on my bicycle. Maybe I'll just start my own union and send out cards.

 

[aapitbull]

Not one person I have talked to even knows who AMP is. You could be college kids sitting in your bedroom for all I know. At least AMFA had informational meetings so we could talk to the people in charge. I am not going to sign my career away to someone who might be a high school drop out. Those are the people we have now negotiating our contracts.

Nice try reb, you remind me of another poster on here CIO spin spin spin, you did not answer the question just tow the line who is behind this well if you have read the website you would see a list of names for contacts at your station. Look you are free to think anything you want but if you come on here and tow the twu line you will get a ear full from the ANTI TWU folks that should not come as a surprise.

Keep up the hard work so far you are the only TWU fighting back good luck!

 

[texasreb]

Nice try reb, you remind me of another poster on here CIO spin spin spin, you did not answer the question just tow the line who is behind this well if you have read the website you would see a list of names for contacts at your station. Look you are free to think anything you want but if you come on here and tow the twu line you will get a ear full from the ANTI TWU folks that should not come as a surprise.

Keep up the hard work so far you are the only TWU fighting back good luck!

Finally 24 pages later an honest answer. Thank You.

 

[aapitbull]

Who are these AA mechanics you speak of? I know a lot of AA mechanics that I would not trust to work on my bicycle. Maybe I'll just start my own union and send out cards.

You let me know where to get cards I'm handing out AMP cards but I will sign one of yours too anything to get rid of the TWU!

P.S. I'm not kidding

 

[aapitbull]

Finally 24 pages later an honest answer. Thank You.

Sorry I just checked and when we switched servers the contacts list did not make it back up yet we are working on it but until them you can see a list of contacts on our facebook sight AMP Association of Maintenance Professionals We will get it back up.

 

[Interested]

You really need to turn the lights on in your cave. From the AMP website: Q. Is this just AMFA by another name?

A. No. This is an independent union formed by AA mechanics. It is not affiliated with AMFA in any way.

This may be an Independent, but it seems that it follows amfa's guideline and that maybe be where the confusion is coming from.

 

[TWU informer]

This may be an Independent, but it seems that it follows amfa's guideline and that maybe be where the confusion is coming from.

So should we listen to the TWU and James C. Little bad mouth the movement? What has HE done for you lately?

I can see the benefit of:

Professional Negotiators
Recall of Officers
Term Limits of Officers
Membership Elected National Officers
Majority Rules Run-Off Officer Elections

If I was James C. Little and an appointed leader that has a Constitution that allows me to manipulate my leader partners via appointments, and regardless of my performance or ability the membership could never vote me out, I would be against AMFA, AMP, APA, APFA or any Union that provides for accountablilty.

But what would best for your future and your profession?

I would actually like to attend a Union Meeting before I retire where what the membership says actually means something again. I am tired of dictators that didnt even have a majority of votes in the election speaking on my behalf and deciding without membership involvement what is best for our future.

Just look at the TWU's response...
James Little bad mouthing the movement and trying to link it to AMFA
Sam Cirri directing Shop Stewards to remove and destroy any AMP information they can find.

Why do you think they cannot just come out and say "We have a done a great job for our members in exhange for 2 hours pay per month, We have a strong unified Union, We have accountability, and there is no need to change unions"?

No their only reponse is that change would suck worse than they do. This would be a laughable reponse if it were'nt our livelyhoods in the balance.

Of course AMP "follows AMFA guidelines". It is called Union Democracy and Membership Rule. Unless you just insist in attempting to demonize union democracy one could easily claim that AMP follows APA or APFA or ALPA guidelines. Don't you find it strange that the TWU guidelines are in direct conflict with basic principles of Union Democracy and Leadership Accountabilty?

I would much rather have hired negotiators, lawyers, and economist and trade in the Talons Tickets, Big Splash Party, Laborfest Party, Ice Oiler Tickets, and other such dues wasting. I pay for representation which I feel I am not getting. And if my representation was good, I could afford my own tickets to the games and parties.

I don't need a union to entertain me, I need a Union to represent me.

 

[Birdman]

This may be an Independent, but it seems that it follows amfa's guideline and that maybe be where the confusion is coming from.

I was addressing his insinuation that it could be college kids heading this drive. Ditto Informer, if there's a better guideline for our profession to follow that doesnt include the statis quo then I'm all ears.

 

[aapitbull]

I was addressing his insinuation that it could be college kids heading this drive. Ditto Informer, if there's a better guideline for our profession to follow that doesnt include the statis quo then I'm all ears.

Just to be clear the base for this constitution is that of the APA there are parts from others including AMFA but 75% is APA The people that crafted this constitution did not seek to play Jefferson or Adams we did not want to reinvent the wheel.

The fact is very little of AMFA in this constitution. there are many differences the 2 most glaring are AMFA does not allow stores to join and they sought to organize all of the craft and class at all airlines this is AA only.

So the next time someone says this is just AMFA tell them to ask a stores clerk if they see any difference. And if you really want to see the difference get a copy of the AMFA constitution and compare it to ours you will see the difference even if Jim cannot.

 

[JABORD]

60% yes vote on T/A (sorry for not being clear on that birdman)

as far as interest in AMP just the guy passing out the news artilce


hey odie01 in reference to your question as what grade i'm in

why do you ask?

if its due to my spelling errors and etc sorry I never claimed to be a english major and some of its just from typing kind of fast I'm going to proof everthing that I post

Hey Paull, sounds like you need someone to talk to. Try ORD Hgr Afts.

 

[MCI transplant]

So should we listen to the TWU and James C. Little bad mouth the movement? What has HE done for you lately?

I can see the benefit of:

Professional Negotiators
Recall of Officers
Term Limits of Officers
Membership Elected National Officers
Majority Rules Run-Off Officer Elections

If I was James C. Little and an appointed leader that has a Constitution that allows me to manipulate my leader partners via appointments, and regardless of my performance or ability the membership could never vote me out, I would be against AMFA, AMP, APA, APFA or any Union that provides for accountablilty.

But what would best for your future and your profession?

I would actually like to attend a Union Meeting before I retire where what the membership says actually means something again. I am tired of dictators that didnt even have a majority of votes in the election speaking on my behalf and deciding without membership involvement what is best for our future.

Just look at the TWU's response...
James Little bad mouthing the movement and trying to link it to AMFA
Sam Cirri directing Shop Stewards to remove and destroy any AMP information they can find.

Why do you think they cannot just come out and say "We have a done a great job for our members in exhange for 2 hours pay per month, We have a strong unified Union, We have accountability, and there is no need to change unions"?

No their only reponse is that change would suck worse than they do. This would be a laughable reponse if it were'nt our livelyhoods in the balance.

Of course AMP "follows AMFA guidelines". It is called Union Democracy and Membership Rule. Unless you just insist in attempting to demonize union democracy one could easily claim that AMP follows APA or APFA or ALPA guidelines. Don't you find it strange that the TWU guidelines are in directdidn't conflict with basic principleweren'ts of Union Democracy and Leadership Accountabilty?

I would much rather have hired negotiators, lawyers, and economist and trade in the Talons Tickets, Big Splash Party, Laborfest Party, Ice Oiler Tickets, and other such dues wasting. I pay for representation which I feel I am not getting. And if my representation was good, I could afford my own tickets to the games and parties.

I don't need a union to entertain me, I need a Union to represent me.

<_< ------ Hey informer! Aren't you forgetting the free Tee shirts! They got to be worth something!? I still use mine! -----When I change the oil in my truck!!!! 😀

 

[SkydrolJunkie]

<_< ------ Hey informer! Aren't you forgetting the free Tee shirts! They got to be worth something!? I still use mine! -----When I change the oil in my truck!!!! 😀

I see my t-shirts every now and then on the homeless guy panhandling on the corner

 

[eolesen]

Just to be clear the base for this constitution is that of the APA there are parts from others including AMFA but 75% is APA The people that crafted this constitution did not seek to play Jefferson or Adams we did not want to reinvent the wheel.

The fact is very little of AMFA in this constitution. there are many differences the 2 most glaring are AMFA does not allow stores to join and they sought to organize all of the craft and class at all airlines this is AA only.

So the next time someone says this is just AMFA tell them to ask a stores clerk if they see any difference. And if you really want to see the difference get a copy of the AMFA constitution and compare it to ours you will see the difference even if Jim cannot.

Seems like you could put up an interesting matrix on the website comparing the relevant sections for governance out of the APA, APFA, TWU, and proposed AMP's constitutions... A one-page graphic with checkboxes and blanks can go a long way towards pointing out the differences and similarities to folks who don't have time to read and decypher the legalese.