New AA Union Drive

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

The only thing I detest more than unions is the TWU. 😉

Unions are not the problem the twu is.
I detest management I guess that makes us even 😉

 

[Bob Owens]

Just curious... it appears that Ken McT is OK going on record about AMP.

Bob Owens has commented on site conversations in the thread, but I don't think I've seen anything which indicates his opinion on AMP in general...

What say you, Bob? Have the local officials been threatened already by the higher ups, or are you just being quieter than usual?...

Quieter than usual? I've been as active as ever. Some threads I'm more active on than others, like you. Has anyone been threatened by the higher ups? Dont know, I haven't.

As far as my opinions why would you care? My members dont ask, why should you?

 

[Birdman]

This exerpt from the 514 prez:

Previous AMFA organizers have started another card signing drive under the name of AMP. (AMP currently represents no one.) We all know the idea of being in a craft union that is isolated from the AFL-CIO and the rest of labor has failed miserably for mechanics. If AMFA/AMP won a representation election of AA mechanics, some AA upper management, who already believe we should shed heavy maintenance, will do so, just as other airlines have as AMFA took over representation rights. Those bases closed because their work was outsourced.

* 3 at Northwest
* 2 at Alaska
* 1 at ATAMembers should be concerned about a startup association that would threaten their future. Solidarity and the strength of our membership has maintained our jobs at this base for 65 years. This is the time to stand together as a union.

I understand your concern because I too am concerned and this is why I ran for office. The more we are involved, the stronger and united we will be.

Fraternally,

Sam Cirri, President



It's shameless to degrade the tireless effort of well meaning unionist's, including AMFA, who's only crime is to promote a very proud industry of professional aircraft mechanics. Any so called union organization, including AFL-CIO affiliates, that allowed any company to decimate another union is an abomination to the union brotherhood concept and not worthy to be called a union. It's no wonder unionism has declined at an alarming rate. Sam "title III" Cirri, you don't win the hearts and minds of mechanics by trashing the one organization that has done more to promote professionalism, accountability, and pride in our craft. We would not even be at our current rate of pay if not for AMFA's sacrifice. AMP is not, and has no affiliation with AMFA, but I would be proud to be a part of any organization that has done even one half as much for my profession. BTW, Southwest mechanics are represented by AMFA and not doing to bad.

 

[lineguy43]

This exerpt from the 514 prez:

Previous AMFA organizers have started another card signing drive under the name of AMP. (AMP currently represents no one.) We all know the idea of being in a craft union that is isolated from the AFL-CIO and the rest of labor has failed miserably for mechanics. If AMFA/AMP won a representation election of AA mechanics, some AA upper management, who already believe we should shed heavy maintenance, will do so, just as other airlines have as AMFA took over representation rights. Those bases closed because their work was outsourced.

* 3 at Northwest
* 2 at Alaska
* 1 at ATAMembers should be concerned about a startup association that would threaten their future. Solidarity and the strength of our membership has maintained our jobs at this base for 65 years. This is the time to stand together as a union.

I understand your concern because I too am concerned and this is why I ran for office. The more we are involved, the stronger and united we will be.

Fraternally,

Sam Cirri, President



It's shameless to degrade the tireless effort of well meaning unionist's, including AMFA, who's only crime is to promote a very proud industry of professional aircraft mechanics. Any so called union organization, including AFL-CIO affiliates, that allowed any company to decimate another union is an abomination to the union brotherhood concept and not worthy to be called a union. It's no wonder unionism has declined at an alarming rate. Sam "title III" Cirri, you don't win the hearts and minds of mechanics by trashing the one organization that has done more to promote professionalism, accountability, and pride in our craft. We would not even be at our current rate of pay if not for AMFA's sacrifice. AMP is not, and has no affiliation with AMFA, but I would be proud to be a part of any organization that has done even one half as much for my profession. BTW, Southwest mechanics are represented by AMFA and not doing to bad.

Forgive my ignornace as I am not AA would someone kindly explain what Title 1, 2, 3 mean? ...Thx

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

This exerpt from the 514 prez:

Previous AMFA organizers have started another card signing drive under the name of AMP. (AMP currently represents no one.) We all know the idea of being in a craft union that is isolated from the AFL-CIO and the rest of labor has failed miserably for mechanics. If AMFA/AMP won a representation election of AA mechanics, some AA upper management, who already believe we should shed heavy maintenance, will do so, just as other airlines have as AMFA took over representation rights. Those bases closed because their work was outsourced.

* 3 at Northwest
* 2 at Alaska
* 1 at ATAMembers should be concerned about a startup association that would threaten their future. Solidarity and the strength of our membership has maintained our jobs at this base for 65 years. This is the time to stand together as a union.

I understand your concern because I too am concerned and this is why I ran for office. The more we are involved, the stronger and united we will be.

Fraternally,

Sam Cirri, President



It's shameless to degrade the tireless effort of well meaning unionist's, including AMFA, who's only crime is to promote a very proud industry of professional aircraft mechanics. Any so called union organization, including AFL-CIO affiliates, that allowed any company to decimate another union is an abomination to the union brotherhood concept and not worthy to be called a union. It's no wonder unionism has declined at an alarming rate. Sam "title III" Cirri, you don't win the hearts and minds of mechanics by trashing the one organization that has done more to promote professionalism, accountability, and pride in our craft. We would not even be at our current rate of pay if not for AMFA's sacrifice. AMP is not, and has no affiliation with AMFA, but I would be proud to be a part of any organization that has done even one half as much for my profession. BTW, Southwest mechanics are represented by AMFA and not doing to bad.

Sam is doing as he is told. The int. is scared of AMP and anything that resembles democracy. So it only makes sense that the int. pull the strings on another puppet and hide behind the thin veil of "I understand your concern..."

Sam claims that "AMP currently represents no one.". Well, yes that is true. But then neither does the twu at AA. AMP has not been certified yet but the twu has been for how many years? Are we really better off with the twu?

Sam already is using threats of shedding overhaul. Hey, who's that hiding behind the curtain? Boo! It's a scary monster!

Come on Sam, you claim "I too am concerned...". I don't think you are too worried because if you were concerned you would educate yourself as to AMP and their constitution and how voting in AMP at AA will have a positive effect on not only AMP represented members at AA but for our entire craft and class.

Just read the last line that you wrote, "The more we are involved, the stronger and united we will be." Truer words have never been spoken. The more people are educated about the strength in a craft, democratic union where ALL elected officials are held accountable and the members control their future we will indeed be more involved, stronger and united!

GO AMP!

 

[Duke787]

Until TUL AMP reps make the rounds to the line stations like Bob going to TUL trying to convince them the TWU isn't that great, will I get hyped up about AMP, my AIP is going into the 401k. Because lets face it TUL will always have the numbers, and half won't even vote in a local 514 election with ballot mailed to their house. <_<

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

I'll put mine in my 401k ty

Paul1, that's fine. I never expected you to donate anything. I received my check today and it is going directly to AMP because every little bit helps. We all have a part to play in removing the twu from ruining our craft and profession, some more so than others and that is perfectly alright. My signature on the bottom of my posts has meaning, how about you?

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Gee, it certainly did not take long for the new tul 514 prez to roll over. Dance on those puppet strings !!!! GO AMP !!!

 

[High Speed Steel]

Sam is doing as he is told. The int. is scared of AMP and anything that resembles democracy. So it only makes sense that the int. pull the strings on another puppet and hide behind the thin veil of "I understand your concern..."

Sam claims that "AMP currently represents no one.". Well, yes that is true. But then neither does the twu at AA. AMP has not been certified yet but the twu has been for how many years? Are we really better off with the twu?

Sam already is using threats of shedding overhaul. Hey, who's that hiding behind the curtain? Boo! It's a scary monster!

Come on Sam, you claim "I too am concerned...". I don't think you are too worried because if you were concerned you would educate yourself as to AMP and their constitution and how voting in AMP at AA will have a positive effect on not only AMP represented members at AA but for our entire craft and class.

Just read the last line that you wrote, "The more we are involved, the stronger and united we will be." Truer words have never been spoken. The more people are educated about the strength in a craft, democratic union where ALL elected officials are held accountable and the members control their future we will indeed be more involved, stronger and united!

GO AMP!

Dumb me, I finally figured out what AMP stands for. "Alternate MacTierrnan Plan"....Your quest to uphold your craft as an A&P is going to doom us all.....

 

[CIO]

This exerpt from the 514 prez:

Previous AMFA organizers have started another card signing drive under the name of AMP. (AMP currently represents no one.) We all know the idea of being in a craft union that is isolated from the AFL-CIO and the rest of labor has failed miserably for mechanics. If AMFA/AMP won a representation election of AA mechanics, some AA upper management, who already believe we should shed heavy maintenance, will do so, just as other airlines have as AMFA took over representation rights. Those bases closed because their work was outsourced.

* 3 at Northwest
* 2 at Alaska
* 1 at ATAMembers should be concerned about a startup association that would threaten their future. Solidarity and the strength of our membership has maintained our jobs at this base for 65 years. This is the time to stand together as a union.

I understand your concern because I too am concerned and this is why I ran for office. The more we are involved, the stronger and united we will be.



AMP has the same old rhetoric, Its okay to close maintenance bases and farm out work. But thats not bad to better our profession.

How long did it take at Northwest to farm out and eliminate thousand of high paying jobs?

Jsut remember, its not always greener on the other side of the fence!!!!!

I believe you need to give the new President and Officers a chance to change the injustice we have endured the last few years from the President Council! Whom negotiated the TA.

Fraternally,

Sam Cirri, President



It's shameless to degrade the tireless effort of well meaning unionist's, including AMFA, who's only crime is to promote a very proud industry of professional aircraft mechanics. Any so called union organization, including AFL-CIO affiliates, that allowed any company to decimate another union is an abomination to the union brotherhood concept and not worthy to be called a union. It's no wonder unionism has declined at an alarming rate. Sam "title III" Cirri, you don't win the hearts and minds of mechanics by trashing the one organization that has done more to promote professionalism, accountability, and pride in our craft. We would not even be at our current rate of pay if not for AMFA's sacrifice. AMP is not, and has no affiliation with AMFA, but I would be proud to be a part of any organization that has done even one half as much for my profession. BTW, Southwest mechanics are represented by AMFA and not doing to bad.

 

[Birdman]

Nice quote CIO. Does this mean your speechless?

 

[odie01]

Nice quote CIO. Does this mean your speechless?

I still don't understand why a fleet service clerk is president of a maintenance base. If your a mechanic stationed in TUL please go to the AMP website, read the mission statement and goals, scan over the by-laws, and make an educated decision if you really want the TWU (INTERNATIONAL) controlling your career. This is not AMFA!! This will be OUR union, we will have controll of it, and be proud of it!
Thanks

 

[High Speed Steel]

I still don't understand why a fleet service clerk is president of a maintenance base. If your a mechanic stationed in TUL please go to the AMP website, read the mission statement and goals, scan over the by-laws, and make an educated decision if you really want the TWU (INTERNATIONAL) controlling your career. This is not AMFA!! This will be OUR union, we will have controll of it, and be proud of it!
Thanks

Odie, The reason we have a Fleet Service Clerk for President is because the A&P Mechanics voted for him. Hell they make up the majority here don't they? As I see it, they went with the best candidate....Sam is a good man, and will make one hell of a good President for Local 514...

 

[odie01]

Odie, The reason we have a Fleet Service Clerk for President is because the A&P Mechanics voted for him. Hell they make up the majority here don't they? As I see it, they went with the best candidate....Sam is a good man, and will make one hell of a good President for Local 514...

I'm sure he is a good man, that is not my point. My point is, the pilots would not elect a mechanic to lead their union. The flight attendents would not elect a fleet service clerk to lead their union. This union is broken, and needs fixing, if we are going to retire with anything at all.
Thanks

 

[High Speed Steel]

I'm sure he is a good man, that is not my point. My point is, the pilots would not elect a mechanic to lead their union. The flight attendents would not elect a fleet service clerk to lead their union. This union is broken, and needs fixing, if we are going to retire with anything at all.
Thanks

crybaby........waaaaaaaaa

I will not let this go with just dissing you for being putz. "Who the hell are you to dictate who the A&P represented majority at Local 514 choose to be their President?"