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I would think that Little would walk freely around the base shaking hands and telling everyone the t/a was the companies best and the colored insert put in everyones ballot was by mistake.

Little will also inform the masses that AMP is bad for AA AMTs because AA AMTs are not capable of contolling their professions with full accountability and all officers are elected. The twu knows best... appointments are best... burchette and yingst can attest to that.

Someone offer his appointedness an AMP card.

GO AMP!
 
Well dang !!! Mr. Little going to tulsa for an appearance. Mr. Little we at AFW would just love for you to stop in and see us. Please start on dayshift bay2, fresh coffee cost ya .25 cents a cup..."brother"......... :angry:
 
Well dang !!! Mr. Little going to tulsa for an appearance. Mr. Little we at AFW would just love for you to stop in and see us. Please start on dayshift bay2, fresh coffee cost ya .25 cents a cup..."brother"......... :angry:
SemperFi dvlhog, get with Mike C. bay 2 AVX days, he is one of us (leatherneck) that is working the AMP drive. Look forword to meeting you, Its good to know we have A FEW GOOD MEN on board.
 
The more things change the more they stay the same. The TWU screws over the membership and then fears any repercussions that may occur.

My suggestion:

Earn the memberships respect and loyalty.


A good reputation would alleviate all fears of replacement.

A union that feels the need to tear down flyers fears accountability at the hands of the membership.

Unfortunately, the TWU has lost most of it's respect and loyalty.


Rumor has it that his royal appointed highness Little will be in Tulsa later this week to rally his loyal minions. The t/a has suddenly become a non issue.

Of course the t/a has become a non-issue. Most of us have probably sent in our votes and nothing he can say or do can change it.
 
Going against the conventional thinking of this forum, hasn't the TWU protected a lot of jobs compared to the other airlines. With this TA, won't we be paid second to SWA and have OH, pension, and over 9000 mechs. SWA only has a fraction of the mechs we have. UAL lost it's IND base, and SFO is a shell of it's former self.

We can all agree it sucks to have taken that 2003 contract, but in the long run we are better off then the mechs at the other legacy airlines. No other legacy has as many mechs on the pay roll as AA does, along with the benefits we have kept. I'm not a company shill, but someone not blowing smoke up anyone's arse.

I read a lot of these posts and a lot of these guys are of the same thought process, AA stole from us and the TWU sold us out. Take a look and see how much worse it could be. Our pay is market driven not responsibility driven. The Eagle mechs have the same responsibility and make about $9 less an hour. You guys need to get over yourselves and wake up to reality. We don't have it that bad, and times are not that good. As always, nobody is forcing you to work at AA. AAR is excepting resumes.

B)
 
Going against the conventional thinking of this forum, hasn't the TWU protected a lot of jobs compared to the other airlines. With this TA, won't we be paid second to SWA and have OH, pension, and over 9000 mechs. SWA only has a fraction of the mechs we have. UAL lost it's IND base, and SFO is a shell of it's former self.

We can all agree it sucks to have taken that 2003 contract, but in the long run we are better off then the mechs at the other legacy airlines. No other legacy has as many mechs on the pay roll as AA does, along with the benefits we have kept. I'm not a company shill, but someone not blowing smoke up anyone's arse.

I read a lot of these posts and a lot of these guys are of the same thought process, AA stole from us and the TWU sold us out. Take a look and see how much worse it could be. Our pay is market driven not responsibility driven. The Eagle mechs have the same responsibility and make about $9 less an hour. You guys need to get over yourselves and wake up to reality. We don't have it that bad, and times are not that good. As always, nobody is forcing you to work at AA. AAR is excepting resumes.

B)

You have bitten the TWU International apple once again.
 
Going against the conventional thinking of this forum, hasn't the TWU protected a lot of jobs compared to the other airlines. With this TA, won't we be paid second to SWA and have OH, pension, and over 9000 mechs. SWA only has a fraction of the mechs we have. UAL lost it's IND base, and SFO is a shell of it's former self.

We can all agree it sucks to have taken that 2003 contract, but in the long run we are better off then the mechs at the other legacy airlines. No other legacy has as many mechs on the pay roll as AA does, along with the benefits we have kept. I'm not a company shill, but someone not blowing smoke up anyone's arse.

I read a lot of these posts and a lot of these guys are of the same thought process, AA stole from us and the TWU sold us out. Take a look and see how much worse it could be. Our pay is market driven not responsibility driven. The Eagle mechs have the same responsibility and make about $9 less an hour. You guys need to get over yourselves and wake up to reality. We don't have it that bad, and times are not that good. As always, nobody is forcing you to work at AA. AAR is excepting resumes.

B)
Wake up Duke, its not just the pay, we gave away so much more, and are about to give up our prefunding for retirement. Get with the program, you seem like a smart guy.
 
Going against the conventional thinking of this forum, hasn't the TWU protected a lot of jobs compared to the other airlines. With this TA, won't we be paid second to SWA and have OH, pension, and over 9000 mechs. SWA only has a fraction of the mechs we have. UAL lost it's IND base, and SFO is a shell of it's former self.

We can all agree it sucks to have taken that 2003 contract, but in the long run we are better off then the mechs at the other legacy airlines. No other legacy has as many mechs on the pay roll as AA does, along with the benefits we have kept. I'm not a company shill, but someone not blowing smoke up anyone's arse.

I read a lot of these posts and a lot of these guys are of the same thought process, AA stole from us and the TWU sold us out. Take a look and see how much worse it could be. Our pay is market driven not responsibility driven. The Eagle mechs have the same responsibility and make about $9 less an hour. You guys need to get over yourselves and wake up to reality. We don't have it that bad, and times are not that good. As always, nobody is forcing you to work at AA. AAR is excepting resumes.

B)

The way I see it, the other airlines are starting to realize that contracting out ovhl isn't all its cracked up to be. I hear SWA has started doing some of their own ovhl, Delta at MSP will start heavy checks this fall - will be hiring soon. Third party mx vendors are having trouble finding let alone retaining qualified mechs. The kicker is, there are less and less AMT schools every year. My nephew has been in the Air Force for 4 years as a crew chief, will not even consider obtaining an A & P. Not too many people are going to drop 30k plus, for tuition at Embry Riddle, Spartan, or Northrop only to get out and face this lousy job outlook.

I am not ready to settle for this offer. It is not the best we could do. I know your anxious to move on - so am I. However, I can put up with some more negotiating - hopefully with some new (AMP) representation.
 
Wake up Duke, its not just the pay, we gave away so much more, and are about to give up our prefunding for retirement. Get with the program, you seem like a smart guy.
Odie, I completely understand what you're saying, but can you deny my statement is correct? Based on the fact that nobody is quiting to move on to another job or starting their own business, I would say most guys are hanging in there.

Yes, we could all use more money, and we all have bills to pay, for those of you that think I don't understand that part.

Playing devils advocate, wasn't it the TWU that negotiated the 2001 contract that we all want back. And it was AMFA that drove up the going rate for mechs. You see market driven. Just wait 10 years from now when there will be a shortage of A&Ps again.

I'm not the only person skeptical of AMP, I'm just the one who writes it in a post, as you know most mechs don't read this forum, so AMP isn't as popular as people who read this forum might think.
 
The way I see it, the other airlines are starting to realize that contracting out ovhl isn't all its cracked up to be. I hear SWA has started doing some of their own ovhl, Delta at MSP will start heavy checks this fall - will be hiring soon. Third party mx vendors are having trouble finding let alone retaining qualified mechs. The kicker is, there are less and less AMT schools every year. My nephew has been in the Air Force for 4 years as a crew chief, will not even consider obtaining an A & P. Not too many people are going to drop 30k plus, for tuition at Embry Riddle, Spartan, or Northrop only to get out and face this lousy job outlook.

I am not ready to settle for this offer. It is not the best we could do. I know your anxious to move on - so am I. However, I can put up with some more negotiating - hopefully with some new (AMP) representation.

That's some good info, we should be getting a decent raise in the next couple of years, after SWA and DAL hire up all the jobless A&Ps. I could do with some more negotiating also, but the fact that the TWU asked to be released, then the way the ballot was worded makes me think a strike is the next step if AA doesn't pony up more cash, which I don't think they will. And yes it does scare me, after what happened at NWA, and the lack of togetherness we have as a union. Every station operates as it's own entity.
 
Odie, I completely understand what you're saying, but can you deny my statement is correct? Based on the fact that nobody is quiting to move on to another job or starting their own business, I would say most guys are hanging in there.

Yes, we could all use more money, and we all have bills to pay, for those of you that think I don't understand that part.

Playing devils advocate, wasn't it the TWU that negotiated the 2001 contract that we all want back. And it was AMFA that drove up the going rate for mechs. You see market driven. Just wait 10 years from now when there will be a shortage of A&Ps again.

I'm not the only person skeptical of AMP, I'm just the one who writes it in a post, as you know most mechs don't read this forum, so AMP isn't as popular as people who read this forum might think.
Wrong again Duke, this forum is very popular with AA mechanics, qualified A@P mechanics are in demand, and money is not the only issue. I don't know where you work, but at AFW, AMP is becoming very popular.
 
Duke,

"Going against the conventional thinking of this forum, hasn't the TWU protected a lot of jobs compared to the other airlines."

You mean jobs like those that use to be done by certificated A&Ps in the back shops that were replaced by osm/srp? And now the one certificated smas? You means jobs protected by allowing the company to take 28 1/2% cut in pay and benefits and then laying off?

" With this TA, won't we be paid second to SWA and have OH, pension, and over 9000 mechs. SWA only has a fraction of the mechs we have."

You mean the VERY few AMTs that work between 10 PM and 4 AM will be second highest paid don't you? The company shrunk the window of start times where AMTs can earn this type of pay. But then again your excuse is typical of twu party line, "Let me be devil's advocate for a minute." (Easy to be when the twu is the devil itself.)

"No other legacy has as many mechs on the pay roll as AA does, along with the benefits we have kept."

Yep, you're right there. No other legacy carrier allowed their AMTs to take pay and benefit cuts outside of bk and then laid off AMTs like the twu has allowed. What benefits are you talking about? I know the ones we lost.

"I read a lot of these posts and a lot of these guys are of the same thought process, AA stole from us and the TWU sold us out. Take a look and see how much worse it could be."

Same thought process? Yes, you're right there again. The thought process that AA did steal from us and the twu has stood blindly by allowing this robbery to continue. The pilots and flight attendants unions both REMOVED their presidents who allowed this robbery to be committed but not the unelected, unaccountable twu folks. How much worse it could be? Why be so negative? How about asking how much better it could be by having people who are held accountable in elected positions?

"The Eagle mechs have the same responsibility and make about $9 less an hour."

Yea, you're right! Hey, aren't the Eagle AMTs represented by the same unelected, unaccountable organization as we are? Probably only a matter of time before those guys sign AMP cards. (Well, at least you'll be busy spreading the twu love.)

"I'm not a company shill,"

Wrong.
 
Wrong again Duke, this forum is very popular with AA mechanics, qualified A@P mechanics are in demand, and money is not the only issue. I don't know where you work, but at AFW, AMP is becoming very popular.
Try asking a mech you don't normally talk to about this forum and see how familiar he is with it, at ORD there is not that many that read this forum or any forum for that matter. At ORD AMP is viewed with skepticism. There are 2 guys giving out info that know I about, both big AMFA guys too. The info is left out in the break room with the card still attached. I don't doubt that AMP is big in AFW, because I'm not there to disprove your assertion.
 
Duke,

"Try asking a mech you don't normally talk to about this forum and see how familiar he is with it,"

You know, you must be right. That view counter for this thread must be off. There can't possible be 20 THOUSAND views for something like a new union drive at AA. I'm sure it is just burchette and yingst constantly coming back here wishing they could say how great the twu is. Oh, to be in the unaccountable, unelected circle once again! 😉
 


What regional airline pays their mech $33 an hour, please provide proof, as your info is usually a bit perverse. Try and stay away from your frequent rhetoric, considering we have all heard it before.

I do agree with the unaccountable TWU folks comment.
 

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