New International Route

[nofaultfound]

😀 Heard today that we may be starting a new 777 route between Chicago and Bombay....anybody else have any info on this?? 😛h34r:

 

[jj]

Me thinks it will be ORD-DEL. 😛h34r:

 

[Imagolfer]

There has been alot of speculation on this over at Flyertalk and Airliners.net

At issue may be the pilots. It sounds like they want 4, 2 in cockpit and 2 in crew rest.

Let's hope AA can make this work. It sure would be a profitable route. I thought UA had the rights to the route but put it on the shelf after 9/11

 

[MiAAmi]

I think India and the US now have an open skies agreement so AA or any other carrier can start service between the two countries any time they want. CO has already announced new service to begin from EWR and India.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Anybody have an accurate idea of the air time , East AND west, from ORD to DEL AND BOM ??


Thanx,

NH/BB's

 

[eolesen]

Dunno... AC just killed off their YYZ-DEL nonstop in favor of a one-stop via ZRH. We might be better off flying it as a one-stop as well, assuming we could do so over somewhere that allows fifth freedom rights.

Air Canada Replaces Nonstop India Service with One-Stop Service, Downgauges Aircraft

Air Canada on Friday announced it is canceling its much-vaunted nonstop service to India, replacing it with one-stop service via Zurich and downgauging from an Airbus A340 to a Boeing 767-300, but returning service to year-round and daily.

Effective Oct. 30, Air Canada will serve Delhi via Zurich on a daily year-round basis from Toronto. The transfer of flights to India via Switzerland will allow Air Canada to re-introduce year-round service to Zurich while returning to daily service from its current three-times weekly nonstop service from Toronto.

In addition, Air Canada plans to pursue a codeshare agreement with future Star Alliance member, Swiss International Air Lines, by which Swiss would sell seats on the Air Canada-operated flights via Zurich.

Air Canada launched its much-publicised nonstop service to Delhi in October 2003.  At the time it was daily, but the airline since then reduced service to five times a week and now operates it three times a week for the low season. 

If AC couldn't make this work with the size of the Indian community in Ontario, I doubt that ORD-DEL would work. Same for CO's new nonstop from EWR. DL might have a chance due to the CDG midpoint, and ability to cross-connect traffic from its other US-CDG flights.

 

[FWAAA]

Anybody have an accurate idea of the air time , East AND west, from ORD to DEL AND BOM ??

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Not real precise, but at 7484 miles, DEL is about 425 miles farther than ORD-PVG, which AA shows as 14:10 going and 13:30 returning, so my guess is an extra hour for DEL.

BOM, at 8054 miles, is outta range until AA gets that 787 or that 777LR.

 

[eolesen]

Not real precise, but at 7484 miles, DEL is about 425 miles farther than ORD-PVG, which AA shows as 14:10 going and 13:30 returning, so my guess is an extra hour for DEL.

BOM, at 8054 miles, is outta range until AA gets that 787 or that 777LR.

[post="281200"][/post]​

ORD-PVG has to be flown as a west-east routing. DEL can be flown all eastbound to take advantage of the winds:

Karl's GC Mapper

 

[JFK777]

Air Canada's cancellation of its nonstop Toronto - Dehli flight doesn't surpride me, it has only 2 A340-500, those two gems fly from nonstop Toronto-Hong Kong, the jewel of Asia. With AC's recent cancellation of their Boeing 777 & 787 order, AC has to make choices. AC sold all their pure 747-400 to Aerolinias Argentinas, they may be leased, I saw some in Buenos Aires. AC has to allocate all its international Airbus fleet of A330-300 and A340-300 to all Atlantic, Pacific and deep South America. There aren't enough planes to go around, just looking at how many flights from all canadian cities to LHR could give me a headache with AC's streched mix of Oceanic airplanes. They also sold three 744 combi's; AC also has a large fleet of 767-300ER's flying from Vancouver to Osaka, Nagoya and Seoul. If those pacific routing, unusal for 767's , don't say it I will. Air Canada needs to order those Boeings again, make whatever deal has to be made with the former Canadian pilots. AC, your survival depends on it.

 

[Oneflyer]

ORD-DEL should be announced tomorrow.

Brussels to Bombay with a 767-300 is also a possibility and would be added in combination with DFW-BRU.

 

[kirkpatrick]

If AC couldn't make this work with the size of the Indian community in Ontario, I doubt that ORD-DEL would work.

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Look at AA's feed into ORD, and the fact that the population of the US is ten times that of Canada.

MK

 

[s80dude]

Look at AA's feed into ORD, and the fact that the population of the US is ten times that of Canada.

MK

[post="281314"][/post]​

I hope the APFA stands by their guns and doesn't let American farm this out to outsourced Indian nationals. I know Delta uses Indian Nationals on their India services, but I would rather keep it in house and recall some people! Although with no new planes, I wonder if staffing will remain flat and simply shift to these new markets as we retreat from others

 

[flydcoop]

s80dude,

Where would AA get these FNs from? Are we going to buy Air India?

It's not the same as the IMA/FN agreement. (that doesn't affect IDF ONE bit...and you wonder why there is a chip on a certain base's shoulders?)

Coop

SLT

I hope the APFA stands by their guns and doesn't let American farm this out to outsourced Indian nationals. I know Delta uses Indian Nationals on their India services, but I would rather keep it in house and recall some people! Although with no new planes, I wonder if staffing will remain flat and simply shift to these new markets as we retreat from others

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[s80dude]

s80dude,

Where would AA get these FNs from? Are we going to buy Air India?

It's not the same as the IMA/FN agreement. (that doesn't affect IDF ONE bit...and you wonder why there is a chip on a certain base's shoulders?)

Coop

SLT

[post="281372"][/post]​

These people would not come from Air India. AA would simply hire people in India to work these flights, just like Delta has done. Delta uses the excuse that it is an ethnic market and requires nationals as part of the crew. Even Swissair had FN's who make up part of the crew on their Indian services and signs them to 5 year contracts (met one on vacation a few years ago). The IMA FN agreement voted in by the membership under the Leon administation. I know this would potentially be different.

If you recall, there was concern about AA farming out the flight attendant position to Foriegn Nationals on potential routes to China when we first tried for those routes several years back and AA basically agreed to let APFA members fly the route in order for our support of gaining that service.

I don't see it as a chip on shoulders but simply an attempt to keep flying in house. It would either mean recalls, or maintaining our staffing level, rather than a staffing reduction associated with the pull down from a market exit, and then giving the new market entrance to outsourced workers.

 

[Mach85ER]

This is Captain Ralph Hunter, APA President, with the APA Information Hotline for Tuesday, July 12.

CHICAGO-NEW DELHI: I am pleased to announce that APA and American Airlines management have reached an agreement that will enable our airline to begin non-stop flights between Chicago O’Hare International Airport and Indira Gandhi International Airport in New Delhi, India.

www.alliedpilots.org for the rest