New International Route

[MiAAmi]

Has anyone figured out the flight times on this new service yet?

 

[AirLUVer]

STILL waiting for the details of the "semi-secret hankshake" APA made with HDQ !!

NH/BB's

[post="281556"][/post]​

From what I understand the negotiations with APA were over the 2nd IO (international officer) which would be a First Officer or a 2nd Captain. AA's long haul Japan flights (non-west coast) have 1 Captain, 1 First Officer, and 2 International Officers with flight times that were scheduled up to 14 hours aloft per the old agreement.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Are you suggesting APA should stand in the way of growth like this? Isn't it good for their members to have such opportunities?

[post="281585"][/post]​

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Bear96,
NO, not at all, I was just wondering what the final agreement was.

NH/BB's

 

[TWAnr]

I would have to be MEDICATED!

[post="281579"][/post]​

It helps that SQ configured the A340-500 aircraft used on those routes with only 181 seats in a two-class configuration.

There are 117 seats in the Executive Economy Class, in a 2-3-2 configuration. The seats have a 37" pitch, a 20" width and an 8" recline.

The Raffles Class cabin has 64 lie flat seats in a 2-2-2 layout, with a 64" pitch. The bed is 26" wide and 78" long.

There are passenger lounges in both cabins, where passengers can socialize. The Executive Economy Class has an area where self served snacks and drink are offered.

 

[JFK777]

L1011,


The last third of the flight to India from Chicago is over Europe and Russia. There are plenty of diversion points. Safety is not sush an issue as when UA operated a 777 from LAX to Auckland, New Zealand. There is lots of Pacific between LAX and AKL.

 

[WorldTraveler]

MiAAmi,
the flight is somewhere between 15 1/2 and 16 hours westbound, I believe.

 

[L1011Ret]

L1011,
The last third of the flight to India from Chicago is over Europe and Russia. There are plenty of diversion points. Safety is not sush an issue as when UA operated a 777 from LAX to Auckland, New Zealand. There is lots of Pacific between LAX and AKL.

[post="281683"][/post]​

Thanks, yes the Pacific is very large, makes the Atlantic look like a pond. Yes there are alternates, but I was thinking more about loads. When you approach the max still air range of the A/C, there are often weight penalities of some sort like lightening the load to accomodate fuel.

 

[AMFAMAN]

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/777technical.html

The above link has some specs that might be of interest. They don't have Chicago capibilities but from New York, Delhi would be at the upper end of its range fully loaded.

Click on range for a dropdown of different cities and then 777 aircraft types.

 

[mjk]

Don't think it was all that earth shattering. If I'm hearing correctly, APA and the company agreed on the crew augmentation requirements which add a fourth crew member on 14-16 hour flights.

[post="281586"][/post]​

Just changed the on-duty limits for a 4 man crew to/from DEL only.

Normal: Sked - 16 hrs, Re-sked - 16 hrs, Max - 18 hrs.
DEL only: Sked - 18 hrs, Re-sked - 18hrs, Max - 20 hrs.

Just FYI - 4 man crews are only currently used from DFW/ORD/JFK to the far east. LAX and SJC to the far east are 3 man crews.

 

[flydcoop]

I would have to be MEDICATED!

[post="281579"][/post]​

That's because you are based in SLT...LOL!!!

4 hours aloft causes us to twitch! Yet, we think nothing of flying 4 legs a day with over 3 hours of sit-time (that means we can eat!) and a minimum layover of 8 hours. The fun begins when we do the same thing the next day!

Fly safe!

Coop

 

[jimntx]

Even when I was traveling all over the world as a passenger, I got antsy after about 6 hours in the air. Today, it's not so much the length of time per se, as I don't have the "padding" to sit on a jumpseat for that long, and I can't stand having nothing to do.

When I was based at DFW and used to get deadheaded to JFK, LAX, and MIA to work transcons on reserve, I dreaded it because of the length of the working flight. There's about 2 hours in the middle of a transcon where the pax want to sleep or watch the movie, and they want you to leave them alone. There's nothing to do. Makes me crazy. Can you imagine 20 hours with maybe 5-6 hours of work to fill the time.

 

[nofaultfound]

:down: unbeliveable, at last some good news (a new route which should turn a profit) and already people are whinging about weather some Foreign nationals may be hired....if i can remind you AA employees outside the USA are all foreign nationals. It would make perfect sense to hire Indians with green cards to help with language probs etc if the requirement cannot be filled internally.....I think its time some of you union people took a step back and looked at the big picture instead of your own little back garden plot. I'm LHR based, while this new route will not affect me i see it as a forward step. It's been proven we can't make money on the domestic market, so why not concentrate on something that may help our job security.....if this works and new routes open we will have to buy more long range aircraft which will mean more recalls.

 

[FA Mikey]

:down: unbeliveable, at last some good news (a new route which should turn a profit) and already people are whinging about weather some Foreign nationals may be hired....if i can remind you AA employees outside the USA are all foreign nationals. It would make perfect sense to hire Indians with green cards to help with language probs etc if the requirement cannot be filled internally.....I think its time some of you union people took a step back and looked at the big picture instead of your own little back garden plot. I'm LHR based, while this new route will not affect me i see it as a forward step. It's been proven we can't make money on the domestic market, so why not concentrate on something that may help our job security.....if this works and new routes open we will have to buy more long range aircraft which will mean more recalls.

[post="281815"][/post]​

We have people who can handle the language issues already. AA should not even think of looking outside of the company while there are 4000 plus flight attendants on furlough.

I fail to see how hiring and training 200 plus indian flight attendants enhances our over all job security.

 

[jimntx]

Even though Hindi is the official language of India, under the Indian Constitution English is also an official language and most people in India who travel at all speak fluent English.

English is used a lot in everyday life because there are 13 different dialects of Hindi and there 18 separate languages recognized by the Indian Constitution including Urdu (which is also the official language of Pakistan), Maithali, and Punjabi. In addition, some of the states of India have "official" languages that are not recognized by the central government or have more than one official language. For instance, Bihar in east India has 3 official languages--Hindi, Urdu, and Bengali. Do you wonder why English is commonly used?

There is no real need for Hindi speakers on flights to New Delhi.

 

[Mach85ER]

There is no real need for Hindi speakers on flights to New Delhi.

[post="281846"][/post]​

True.

AA's relative customer service rankings are easy to figure out in any language.