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The incompetence was to let all of the inefficient work rules and inflated wages in the contract in the first place.
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Can you explain "inflated wages"? Just how much should a aircraft mechanic make?
Oh, he'll say "whatever the market detirmines" or somesuch. Back in 2001 there was a bona-fide shortage of qualified AMTs and as such, they commanded rising compensation. Of course, the business press disagreed ( the market is only valid when the pressure on wages is downward ) bemoaning on how this would raise the bar blah blah blah.
Also different in 2001, was that NWA didn't want the mechanics to strike and lobbied the government for a PEB, replete with restraining orders. Of course this was a defacto admission to the power of AMFA's position in 2001 and thus, the request for government to run interference to "the market", suggesting that ( in so many words ) that NWA remain aloft as it was some sort of social transportation service that was too valueable to the economy to be idle.
Oh, he'll say "whatever the market detirmines" or somesuch. Back in 2001 there was a bona-fide shortage of qualified AMTs and as such, they commanded rising compensation. Of course, the business press disagreed ( the market is only valid when the pressure on wages is downward ) bemoaning on how this would raise the bar blah blah blah.
Also different in 2001, was that NWA didn't want the mechanics to strike and lobbied the government for a PEB, replete with restraining orders. Of course this was a defacto admission to the power of AMFA's position in 2001 and thus, the request for government to run interference to "the market", suggesting that ( in so many words ) that NWA remain aloft as it was some sort of social transportation service that was too valueable to the economy to be idle.
Seems to me like a bunch of highly-skilled mechanics lost their jobs in an attempt to keep clearly overpaid cleaners and custodians on the payroll and to ensure that a certified AMT was kept on pushback duty. And yes the mechanics were overpaid compared to the rest of the market, but I see the bigger problem with the two things above.
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Market wages VARY over time. This means they go UP AND they also can go DOWN.
Everyone always forgets about the down part.
Everyone always forgets about the down part.
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Please do excuse my Scab/Village Idiot ignorance, but I am having a lot of difficulty with this post. Are you being serious or sarcastic?
i dont think you are a scab but i do think you are an ignorant idiot if you think you saved nwa.
well;
why dont you ask all the investor,lenders,financiers etc,etc.
and is still to see if nwa will survive
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They did not strike because of the cleaners. I have worked with far too many guys who blame every other workgroup, including members of their own whether bases or line, rather than admit they are not the pilots. Be a plumber, you'll be a millionaire, cause you ain't gonna be in this business. I respect the guys in a/c, but I've heard the same stuff for years, it's allways someone elses fault. Don't be blaming a handful of janitors.
W-T-F over?? Don't be such an imbecile man!!
I guess the fact that NWA has orchestrated this strike should be overlooked and non pertinent <_< ???
Let me refresh your short memory.....18 months prior to this job action by the HONORABLE AMT's at NWA, the COMPANY was training replacement workers (LOWLIFE-SCABS) for one reason only. To BUST the AMFA. The cost was upwards of $100 Million dollars to do just that
!!! That's an airline that is supposedly strapped for cash eh????NWA had NO intention whatsoever of bargaining in good faith. They simply dictated the terms and expected the AMFA membership to capitulate. But things didn't quite go their way did it
??? The AMT's stood up for their profession and did the RIGHT THING 
!!! That is intestinal fortitude and courage!! Now NWA has a less than able SCAB-workforce which is just another nail in the coffin of the abominable NWA :down: Want to borrow my pneumatic nail-gun?????Don't preach that market condition bullsh*t because it's a farce. Anyone who believes in that scam is a FOOL!! "Corporate Amerika" has been on an all out assault on the working men and women of this nation, especially in the last decade!!
Well paid Mechanics.....Replaced by scabs :down: Thank you LOSER Oil-man President for allowing this :angry:
Well paid Pilots....Enter the Regional Jets that continue to grow in passenger capacity <_< ?? Didn't airlines have big airplanes already??? It's the WAGES stupid!!
Well paid Res Agents.....Outsourcing/Offshoring. "Ello, how mey aigh elp you dotay??"
Well paid rampers who get the bags where they need to be on time......enter the low wage part-timers and watch the PAWOB's soar!
Give in to concessions and Capter 11 is your reward.
So if you want to see inflated wages and inefficient work rules, look no farther than the Corporate HQ of NWA. You will hit the jackpot.
Lastly, print out a copy of this post and save it. Then in about 10 years when the "Walmarting of Amerika" is complete and there is no more middle class.....you will have something to eat. BTW, Who is going to pay all the taxes when all the good paying jobs are history??? Screw it all. Outsource the entire country!!! Think of all the profits for the shareholders 🙄
Depression Part II, coming to a country near you. Long live the Republicans and oil-man George. Is Halliburton hiring?????
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First, I'm no imbecile.
Second, having good contigency plans is good management. You're just upset that the term 'good management' reduced AMFA bargaining power at the table. the structure of the airline MUST change in order for the airline to survive. Structural improvements are difficult. You call it 'bargaining in bad faith', but the reality is that contigency planning is good management.
Your 'bad faith bargaining' example is probably endorsed by Wall Street, Managements (other companies), the Gvt and the courts as good management practices. The 'contigency plan' they put in place, probably saved them from liquidation (or at least being closer).
AMFA did the right thing? They walked off their jobs and gave it to replacement workers with no real ongoing obligation from NWA? Sounds like they played a bad game of chess if you ask me.
Are you afraid of a non-union job, one that is determined by market wages and individual performance without some oversight committee agruing seniority and grievance?
If life is so aweful as a non-union, how do all those non-union people you seem to hate survive? If non-union people don't like their wages, they generally ask for a raise. If they don't get it, then they either decide to live with their current wage or shop around for a better job. What's wrong with that?
FINALLY, raising everyone's salary to your definition of 'well paid' (as mentioned above) doesn't save a company in bankruptcy. This is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. If you truly believe paying everyone more will save a company in bankruptcy, then you are applying a different philosophy from every other company that has been in bankruptcy in the history of bankruptcy, successful or unsuccessful.
Second, having good contigency plans is good management. You're just upset that the term 'good management' reduced AMFA bargaining power at the table. the structure of the airline MUST change in order for the airline to survive. Structural improvements are difficult. You call it 'bargaining in bad faith', but the reality is that contigency planning is good management.
Your 'bad faith bargaining' example is probably endorsed by Wall Street, Managements (other companies), the Gvt and the courts as good management practices. The 'contigency plan' they put in place, probably saved them from liquidation (or at least being closer).
AMFA did the right thing? They walked off their jobs and gave it to replacement workers with no real ongoing obligation from NWA? Sounds like they played a bad game of chess if you ask me.
Are you afraid of a non-union job, one that is determined by market wages and individual performance without some oversight committee agruing seniority and grievance?
If life is so aweful as a non-union, how do all those non-union people you seem to hate survive? If non-union people don't like their wages, they generally ask for a raise. If they don't get it, then they either decide to live with their current wage or shop around for a better job. What's wrong with that?
FINALLY, raising everyone's salary to your definition of 'well paid' (as mentioned above) doesn't save a company in bankruptcy. This is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. If you truly believe paying everyone more will save a company in bankruptcy, then you are applying a different philosophy from every other company that has been in bankruptcy in the history of bankruptcy, successful or unsuccessful.
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Oh, and market conditions are not a scam. It's the reality of a capitalistic, market driven society. You know, the opposite of communism. (You know communism, right? It's that place where some big man somewhere guarantees you something for all eternity just for having a heartbeat.)
I quit the airlines and DO have a non-union job that pays me a decent wage (for my expertise) and provides me with better benefits. Here is the kicker....at HALF the out of pocket cost of my old airline job 😛 . Gee, What a concept eh??
You fail to realize that America was built by generations of Blue-Collar workers, not the corporate robber barrons of modern day Amerika. They just managed to get into power with their endless political lobby over the years. You seem to have a problem with grasping that notion.
I could care less if the management makes Billions in salary every year. Just fair-share it with those that ACTUALLY perform the daily functions of running the company. Employees get shafted every time when it's concessions time.
Take the employees out of the picture and just exactly what sort of company do you have???? NADA, nothing, ZERO!! Because the employees ARE the company. The problem is that the jack-asses at the top are too inept to understand this reality. I guess all that "hard earned" compensation of theirs clouds their judgment <_<
This is where you tell me about wage envy, etc..etc. Baloney on that! Give the working man his fair share and treat him with respect instead of threats and extortion....give in or we'll chapter 7 it :down:
You fail to realize that America was built by generations of Blue-Collar workers, not the corporate robber barrons of modern day Amerika. They just managed to get into power with their endless political lobby over the years. You seem to have a problem with grasping that notion.
I could care less if the management makes Billions in salary every year. Just fair-share it with those that ACTUALLY perform the daily functions of running the company. Employees get shafted every time when it's concessions time.
Take the employees out of the picture and just exactly what sort of company do you have???? NADA, nothing, ZERO!! Because the employees ARE the company. The problem is that the jack-asses at the top are too inept to understand this reality. I guess all that "hard earned" compensation of theirs clouds their judgment <_<
This is where you tell me about wage envy, etc..etc. Baloney on that! Give the working man his fair share and treat him with respect instead of threats and extortion....give in or we'll chapter 7 it :down:
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