Obama Stepping On Your Rights...Again?

[PHXConx]

It will all depend on who the GOP puts on the ticket.  If they put up another McCain or Romney then I think she will walk away with it.  If the GOP puts up a more moderate candidate that can attract the independent then the GOP has a chance.  Given the political climate today, I'm betting the GOP will go with more of the same.  The GOP has been quite good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

No it will depend on what other Democrats run.. She didn't get out of the primaries last time. Obama was an absolute unknown and spanked her in 2008.

Don't put the cart before the horse she has to get the nomination first. With Biden being the VP. definitely a leg up. Kerry will. Probably run. Battle of the Secretaries... The fun part about this is, they will have to run on their record. All bring part of this administration means the GOP. Just gets to sit back and watch..

Is Kerry going to throw "what difference does it make" in her face? Will Biden use "we came we saw he died" in her face? How but Clinton or Kerry using "buy a shotgun" against Biden?

Get some popcorn folks the Democrat primaries are going to be a show!

 

[Ms Tree]

If Clinton runs I doubt Biden it Kerry will go for it.

I think Obama beat her out in large part because this country was still afraid of a female in the WH. I think people are more comfortable with her and it won't be a problem this round.

 

[SparrowHawk]

In all fairness to the LIAR In Chief, he is not solely to blame for the continued and ongoing reduction in Freedom and Liberty. For that you have to start with at minimum Jummy Carter. If you want to go back a bit further to Nixon and the Kissinger-Nixon Petrodollar scheme. Carter gave us FISA courts and their authority and if memory serves the RICO Act as well. As you move forward to today you find that every administration had a hand in stealing your Liberty. Has it gotten worse and accelerated? YES it has. 
 
However the seed were sown 35 to 40 years ago. The current regime is just following in the footsteps of those who've gone before.

 

[signals]

I think Obama beat her out in large part because...

Because those who never voted came out in droves.

 

[PHXConx]

If Clinton runs I doubt Biden it Kerry will go for it.
I think Obama beat her out in large part because this country was still afraid of a female in the WH. I think people are more comfortable with her and it won't be a problem this round.

Lol Biden didn't wait 8 years to just let Hillary. Have her "turn" and Kerry didn't leave the very powerful senior senator from Massachusetts because maybe Hillary might run. This is American presidency they all think it's their turn. And they are all going to run.

And let Me see me if I have your theory of the 2008 Democratic primary correct... The Democrat Party of 2008 was less racists than they were sexists. . And that's why Hillary lost? But 8 years later they have grown to accept women as equals? Wow even the GOP. Hell not even Rush Limbaugh or Hannity has such a myopic view Of the party.

I don't know which is more disturbing that you who I assume is a Democrat from previous posts. Thinks so low of her own party 8 YEARS Ago That she labeled them all sexists. Or that you don't see how racist it is to imply Obama only won not because he was a better candidate(AND HE WAS) but because the Democrat party was less scared of a black MAN than a white WOMAN.

If this is indicative of how the Democrat party is going to eat themselves for 2016 the Primary is going to be spectacular

 

[Ms Tree]

In a nut shell yes. I do believe that at least in 2008 the party was less racist than sexist. Not she how that's a reflection on me but what ever. It's bad but better than the GOP. Look at Congress and the number of minorities/women in each party.

Look at the polls regarding marriage equality. Views have changed quite a bit over the last 8 years.

Kerry tried for POTUS and lost. Biden did also if I recall correctly. I don't think they will go for it again at least not if Clinton runs. If she bows out then they might.

 

[PHXConx]

In a nut shell yes. I do believe that at least in 2008 the party was less racist than sexist. Not she how that's a reflection on me but what ever. It's bad but better than the GOP. Look at Congress and the number of minorities/women in each party.

Look at the polls regarding marriage equality. Views have changed quite a bit over the last 8 years.

Kerry tried for POTUS and lost. Biden did also if I recall correctly. I don't think they will go for it again at least not if Clinton runs. If she bows out then they might.

 
 
You can look at the history of women in the house and senate of both parties and know thats not true, Hillary was a senator when she ran for president this revisionist history of not only the party,  but the 2008 primary. just makes you look bad.  and its a reflection of YOU because thats how YOU feel, you can "whatever" that, but that doesnt change this.   my last post was more about me giving you a chance to change your  argument. But you didnt, thats why its a direct reflection of you.  I cant imagine a democrat being so negative on their own party.  Their president, or Hillary Clinton. But you did it to explain away Hillary's loss, Hillary lost not because Democrats are sexists, Barbara Boxer Diane fienstein prove that, but because Obama Ran a much better campaign, was able to get more of the base out, was fresh new face and just out performed Clinton in every way. she was an image of old Washington promising experience not hope and change... Thats why she lost not because the Democrats were sexists, thats offensive.  
 
As far as Kerry losing, he ran against George Bush, The main argument was while Kerry able to easily go toe to toe with Bush, intelligence wise, personality wise, not so much, but most importantly he  didnt have the foreign policy experience to unseat a sitting president in the middle of a war. Bush may have been embarrassing but did have 4 years under his belt.   Thats why kerry got the nod for secretary of state to groom him, like they groomed hillary.. they did that to strengthen the party for 2016 and beyond.  Biden is VP though not constitutionally required he has sat in on several international negotiations he may have been working directly with Hillary..  But it gives him the ability to say yes i walked the walk and can talk the talk.  He isnt going to bow out simply because hillary thinks its time for her coronation this is American politics, not a royal procession. 

 

[Ms Tree]

There are more women and minorities in Congress that are Dem than republican. That is a fact. It is so a fact that the make up in Congress does not reflect society at large. The women you mentioned are local politicians. A national election is a not the same. The fact that she was a Sen from NY does not necessarily mean that a woman can win the WH.

And yes I do believe the country as a whole is more sexist than racist. I am not a Democrat and it is not my party. I am a liberal/progressive. Democrats tend to reflect my beliefs closer than republicans.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I am not a Democrat and it is not my party. I am a liberal/progressive. 

Well, that was good for a laugh. 

 

[PHXConx]

There are more women and minorities in Congress that are Dem than republican. That is a fact. It is so a fact that the make up in Congress does not reflect society at large. The women you mentioned are local politicians. A national election is a not the same. The fact that she was a Sen from NY does not necessarily mean that a woman can win the WH.

And yes I do believe the country as a whole is more sexist than racist. I am not a Democrat and it is not my party. I am a liberal/progressive. Democrats tend to reflect my beliefs closer than republicans.

We arent talking about the Republicans, or the GOP...  you were discussing the sexist nature of the Democrat party.  Hillary has to win the primary before she can face the American people as a whole.  its a nice deflection but lets do try to stay on subject.  Which means if its because Americans are sexists that she cant get out of the primary, its because democrats not republicans are sexists... 
 
The women i mentioned hold federal office, not local. Nancy pelosi was speaker of the house for christ's sake..elected by her fellow democrats.  in a pretty exclusive club.   Im pretty sure that Califorina Senators reflect society as a whole. California is probably the most diverse state.  and two women are the Senators there.  The fact that New York has had women senators California. Illinois(carol mosley-braun was an african american female senator from there... elected in 1992) and i could go on and on, the democrat party is not sexists
 
also i think you have a warped sense of what the presidential election is they are all local elections in the same way that a senator race is.  they are 50 local elections, (plus territories and expats)  there was a reason why i used senators as my example they run like the president, state wide.  not like the house.  which IS a local race.  so when a senator runs for office they have to win their state just like a presidential election.  
 
you are saying that democrats just democrats were sexists in 2008 and we both know thats not true.  whether its your party or not... is really beyond the point, i said i assumed you were a democrat by your posts  and the need to slam republicans and even blame them for what you think is a sexists democrat party lol so im sorry i just assumed you were a member of the democrat party..  so who do you vote with?  
 
When i got fed up with the republicans i went to the libertarian party...
 
where does a liberal fed up with the democrats go?
 
Is the Green party still a viable choice for fed up democrats?

 

[signals]

It might actually depend on Citizenship.

 

[Ms Tree]

Congressional races are local.  One district or one state.  Presidential elections are run nationally.  They are not dependent on one local.  
 
I believe democrats have become a bit more liberal over the last few years.  I guess time will tell.  I think if Clinton decides to run she will get the nomination this time around. 
 
I do believe they were more sexist and that is why Clinton lost.  She was the better candidate.  It's my opinion.  You are free to disagree.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Ron Paul says the government shouldn't be in the "marriage Business", Is that good enough?

 

[Ms Tree]

I think that is a big part of his problem.  The ship has sailed.  The govt is in the marriage business so the no one care that he thinks they should not be.  What I want to know is how he is going to deal with the reality that we live in, not some fantasy world that he wants top be in.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I think that is a big part of his problem.  The ship has sailed.  The govt is in the marriage business so the no one care that he thinks they should not be.  What I want to know is how he is going to deal with the reality that we live in, not some fantasy world that he wants top be in.

 
Has it? Why then does the Campaign for Liberty membership continue to grow? Why do the number of House reps willing to vote to Audit the Fed grow from 1 (Ron Paul) to 328 if his ship has sailed?
 
People have the right to live as they choose. Ron Paul points that out daily and people are listening. His speeches are sold out.