Obama Strikes again

[Ms Tree]

I do not think drilling is the answer. If all we do is try and obtain more oil all it will do is delay the inevitable. I think taxes on fuel and registrations need to be increase gradually and those funds should be dedicated for road repair/building as well as investment back into alternative fuels as well as mass transit. The gradual increase in taxes and registration will gradually get people to buy more efficient fuels vehicles. That alone would reduce the oil consumption by a good amount. If I recall a few years ago when the fuel price spiked the drop in consumption was somewhere around 5% or so. That savings alone would surpass the amount of extra oil received from the pipeline.

We have to start thinking ahead. The free market will not fix this because the market works on demand that in this case will be behind the need. By the time we need it will be to late. I believe we need to be ahead of the curve on this one.

 

[delldude]

Well then its obviously better then to collapse the economy and sit around and wait for the green fairy to wave her magic wand.
Its going to take a couple decades at the minimum to get serious viable alternatives on the market. You still need to drill.
WTF happened to peak oil BTW?

 

[southwind]

I do not think drilling is the answer. If all we do is try and obtain more oil all it will do is delay the inevitable. I think taxes on fuel and registrations need to be increase gradually and those funds should be dedicated for road repair/building as well as investment back into alternative fuels as well as mass transit. The gradual increase in taxes and registration will gradually get people to buy more efficient fuels vehicles. That alone would reduce the oil consumption by a good amount. If I recall a few years ago when the fuel price spiked the drop in consumption was somewhere around 5% or so. That savings alone would surpass the amount of extra oil received from the pipeline.

We have to start thinking ahead. The free market will not fix this because the market works on demand that in this case will be behind the need. By the time we need it will be to late. I believe we need to be ahead of the curve on this one.

Only when automakers deliver a solid , viable electric car solution, that people "WANT" and lower income peeps can "AFFORD", will our dependency on oil deminish. Don't expect government intervention to solve the issue by letting gas prices inflate ! all that will accomplish is backlash !

So Barry........what type of electric car do you drive ? Or is the only thing electric about your car, the battery that starts your gas burning vehicle !

 

[mrmaster]

Oil is bought on the open market. Selling to China or anyone else doesn't change the market price paid for oil.

 

[delldude]

Oil is bought on the open market. Selling to China or anyone else doesn't change the market price paid for oil.

No, but it may affect the availability and drive price.

 

[Ms Tree]

Electric is not the answer. Currently I think diesel is the best alternative. The new engines burn very clean and make great mileage. The VW TDI makes 50mpg real world mileage. My wifes 16 yr old diesel makes well over 30. The vehicles can be made quite inexpensively with out all the bells and whistles that Americans want all their cars.

It would be far less expensive and far more efficient to reduce our consumption than to increase availability. It would also be far easier to decrease consumption by a greater amount than we would be able to increase availability. I do not understand why everybody insists on making the oil companies and the ME richer. Over 5,000 soldiers dies because of oil in the ME. Iran is able to afford it nuclear program because of the oil it sells. Why are we insistent on supporting this? We pollute our air, we massive congestion in most major cities and we seem to have no interest in trying to fix it. All people seem to want to do is drill for more oil which will not solve the problem. It will not even put a dent in it.

 

[Ms Tree]

Oil is bought on the open market. Selling to China or anyone else doesn't change the market price paid for oil.

If their is higher demand (India and China) but supply remains constant than the price will increase. The speculators are the real problem. They drive up prices far more than demand does. When combined, the prices are not reflective of the supply is.

 

[777 fixer]

Electric is not the answer. Currently I think diesel is the best alternative. The new engines burn very clean and make great mileage. The VW TDI makes 50mpg real world mileage. My wifes 16 yr old diesel makes well over 30. The vehicles can be made quite inexpensively with out all the bells and whistles that Americans want all their cars.

Here's the problem with TDI. A VW Jetta TDI costs about $6000 more than a normal VW Jetta. Then there's the reliability issues Volkswagons tend to have.

 

[Ms Tree]

I just gave VW as an example. Every manufacture has high efficiency diesel cars. As as the cost is concerned, the Fed could give rebates to offset the cost difference and we would.still be ahead of the game compared to the cost of human lives and money spent to protect the oil companies investments and our insatiable thirst for oil.

Reducing consumption is so much easier even.with existing technology than exploring for new oil. Not as much money but far easier and cheaper.

I rented an Opel Astray about 5 years ago. We got high 30 low 40's. Great little car. Nice fit and finish. Lots of pep. Quite a bit of room (hatchback 5 door). Passed me.off that GM would.offer that to Europe and not the US.

Complain about $5 or higher gas but we are not willing to make single sacrifice to prevent it or deal with it. I was just filling up by some.dude.in.a.luv whonwas.complaining about or

 

[Ms Tree]

I just gave VW as an example. Every manufacture has high efficiency diesel cars. As as the cost is concerned, the Fed could give rebates to offset the cost difference and we would.still be ahead of the game compared to the cost of human lives and money spent to protect the oil companies investments and our insatiable thirst for oil.

Reducing consumption is so much easier even.with existing technology than exploring for new oil. Not as much money but far easier and cheaper.

I rented an Opel Astray about 5 years ago. We got high 30 low 40's. Great little car. Nice fit and finish. Lots of pep. Quite a bit of room (hatchback 5 door). Passed me.off that GM would.offer that to Europe and not the US.

Complain about $5 or higher gas but we are not willing to make single sacrifice to prevent it or deal with it. I was just filling up by some dude in a SUV whon was complaining about the price of gas. I laughed. He asked why. I asked him why he had a SUV. He wanted it. I told him that he also wanted the high gas prices to go with it. He shut up.

 

[delldude]

I just gave VW as an example. Every manufacture has high efficiency diesel cars. As as the cost is concerned, the Fed could give rebates to offset the cost difference and we would.still be ahead of the game compared to the cost of human lives and money spent to protect the oil companies investments and our insatiable thirst for oil.

Reducing consumption is so much easier even.with existing technology than exploring for new oil. Not as much money but far easier and cheaper.

I rented an Opel Astray about 5 years ago. We got high 30 low 40's. Great little car. Nice fit and finish. Lots of pep. Quite a bit of room (hatchback 5 door). Passed me.off that GM would.offer that to Europe and not the US.

Complain about $5 or higher gas but we are not willing to make single sacrifice to prevent it or deal with it. I was just filling up by some dude in a SUV whon was complaining about the price of gas. I laughed. He asked why. I asked him why he had a SUV. He wanted it. I told him that he also wanted the high gas prices to go with it. He shut up.

Duh....

 

[SparrowHawk]

It puzzles me that when Mr "Evil Incarnate" Bush was in the White House every 10th of cent rise in the price at the pump was his doing. NOW with the Empty Suit it's "Market Forces"/

OK then class which is it? One must be consistent.

 

[eolesen]

Here's the problem with TDI. A VW Jetta TDI costs about $6000 more than a normal VW Jetta. Then there's the reliability issues Volkswagons tend to have.

Point of order... the TDI's hold their value better. We made money selling ours a few years ago. Can't say that about too many gassers. And reliability? Not a problem once, aside from a nail in a tire once. And you can't blame VW for that.

 

[Ms Tree]

It puzzles me that when Mr "Evil Incarnate" Bush was in the White House every 10th of cent rise in the price at the pump was his doing. NOW with the Empty Suit it's "Market Forces"/

OK then class which is it? One must be consistent.

Market forces. Although Bush did start two wars in the ME that did affect the market forces. But I am sure you knew that. Bush had no more direct control over the price of oil than you do.

 

[Ms Tree]

Point of order... the TDI's hold their value better. We made money selling ours a few years ago. Can't say that about too many gassers. And reliability? Not a problem once, aside from a nail in a tire once. And you can't blame VW for that.

And of course your experience must hold true for all VW owners right?