Obama's War on Women

[Dog Wonder]

Too late, already have four grown kids.

 

[PHXConx]

If that's what you believe, go for it.  I don't.  I guess it depends on the disease.  That is between the doctors and the parents.  Govt should stay out of it.
 
What ever.

so kids with a disease have no right to life?  wow you really do have no morals

 

[Ms Tree]

I thought we were talking about a fetus not a child. 
 
Depends on the disease.  There are some that are so debilitating and painful that forcing a person to live through it would be torture for some.  I would leave that up to the Dr and the mother.

 

[PHXConx]

of course you dont...  im sure you are...  
 
why stop at viability why stop when they are born?  if a mother loses her job why not let her kill the child to protect the family?  if the baby is born with a disease why let her "suffer"  put her to sleep?  what do you think about that?
 
i wonder if you have any morality or is it just the children you do not see that you dont care about?

 
 

If that's what you believe, go for it.  I don't.  I guess it depends on the disease.  That is between the doctors and the parents.  Govt should stay out of it.
 
What ever.

 
 

so kids with a disease have no right to life?  wow you really do have no morals

 
 

I thought we were talking about a fetus not a child. 
 
Depends on the disease.  There are some that are so debilitating and painful that forcing a person to live through it would be torture for some.  I would leave that up to the Dr and the mother.

im not sure how you thought that, clearly you didnt read the post.  i said why stop at viability, why not after they were born... but somehow you missed that.... i mean serioulsy why stop at birth you said yourself 
 

  Sometimes  bad things have to be done for the betterment of a person or group as a whole.  It's life.

 
so why not "humanely" put down the kids if it hurts the family as a whole, or the state?  according to you thats life...  Not even in China is that life...  
 
so i wonder what stops you from ridding society from undesirable children? or those with diseases?  oh shoot little mary got childhood cancer after her second birthday thats going to cost society alot especially if the parents dont have insurance...  or if it becomes inconvenient after the fact why not just put them to sleep?  and ill ask the question one more time is it just the children you dont see you dont care about?

 

[delldude]

I thought we were talking about a fetus not a child. 
 
Depends on the disease.  There are some that are so debilitating and painful that forcing a person to live through it would be torture for some.  I would leave that up to the Dr and the mother.

 
Wasn't that Matt Dillons side kick...Fetus?

 

[Ms Tree]

im not sure how you thought that, clearly you didnt read the post.  i said why stop at viability, why not after they were born... but somehow you missed that.... i mean serioulsy why stop at birth you said yourself 
 

 
so why not "humanely" put down the kids if it hurts the family as a whole, or the state?  according to you thats life...  Not even in China is that life...  
 
so i wonder what stops you from ridding society from undesirable children? or those with diseases?  oh shoot little mary got childhood cancer after her second birthday thats going to cost society alot especially if the parents dont have insurance...  or if it becomes inconvenient after the fact why not just put them to sleep?  and ill ask the question one more time is it just the children you dont see you dont care about?

I have always been talking about fetus. You are the one who brought up children. I measly said if you believe it then go for it. I do believe in informed euthanasia/assisted suicide.

I never brought up cost. That's all you. If we had a better health care system that would not even be a factor. I'm talking about emotional burden on the family. Friends wife is a hospice nurse. They have a your kid with something like necrocephelitis or something like that. Kids been a quad since birth. Cognative ability is severely retarded. There are a host of other issues. Self awareness is limited. No quality of life. I know I would not want to live like that. The condition can be detected in utero. Decision should be between doctor and parent. Government and beaurocrats have business in that process.

You can ask the question all you want and the answer will not change. The only thing I am a dressing is the status of a fetus and a mothers control over her body. Once.out of the womb the child can be cared for by the state or who ever wants to take the child in. That has nothing to do with this conversation.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Wasn't that Matt Dillons side kick...Fetus?

I thought it was Festivus. 🙂

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 I measly said if you believe it then go for it.

Measly..... more like Weaselly.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI
 
Play me off Johnny.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcQeeWV1qYQ

 

[Dog Wonder]

Measly..... more like Weaselly.

Another swinging Saturday night in Tulsa.

 

[MCI transplant]

 
Wasn't that Matt Dillons side kick...Fetus?

Don't embarrass yourself dell! Your showing your age!!!! ------- That was Festus dell, not fetus!

 

[PHXConx]

I have always been talking about fetus. You are the one who brought up children. I measly said if you believe it then go for it. I do believe in informed euthanasia/assisted suicide.

I never brought up cost. That's all you. If we had a better health care system that would not even be a factor. I'm talking about emotional burden on the family. Friends wife is a hospice nurse. They have a your kid with something like necrocephelitis or something like that. Kids been a quad since birth. Cognative ability is severely retarded. There are a host of other issues. Self awareness is limited. No quality of life. I know I would not want to live like that. The condition can be detected in utero. Decision should be between doctor and parent. Government and beaurocrats have business in that process.

You can ask the question all you want and the answer will not change. The only thing I am a dressing is the status of a fetus and a mothers control over her body. Once.out of the womb the child can be cared for by the state or who ever wants to take the child in. That has nothing to do with this conversation.

 
I was just wondering if you had no problem taking a life outside the womb, got it its only the children that you cant see you have no problem killing...  

 

[Ms Tree]

They are a fetus dependent on the mother for life.  You seem to have no problem forcing a woman to carry a fetus to term regardless of what she wants.  Most of the people who hold your same position have no interest in providing any programs to prevent the pregnancy or provide any care after birth.  Kudos to you for wanting to.   
 
Still its a woman's body and I am not going to sit here and tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body.

 

[eolesen]

Friends wife is a hospice nurse. They have a your kid with something like necrocephelitis or something like that. Kids been a quad since birth. Cognative ability is severely retarded. There are a host of other issues. Self awareness is limited. No quality of life. I know I would not want to live like that. The condition can be detected in utero. Decision should be between doctor and parent. Government and beaurocrats have business in that process.

Yeah, the Reich thought they had business in that process, too. The "feeble minded" and physically disabled were among the first to be put to death en masse at places like Hadamar.

 

[Ms Tree]

I guess if you think those are similar examples that does explain why you have issues with this whole thing.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I guess if you think those are similar examples that does explain why you have issues with this whole thing.

 
Morally & Ethically they are EXACTLY the same. What you're advocating is Eugenics and as we all know Ms Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood who when not busy being an avowed and documented racist was a strong proponent of Eugenics.
 
It is also helpful to note that to this very day the majority of Planned Parenthood facilities are in predominately black neighborhoods which is why their are more abortions by black mothers as a percent of births then others races.
 
While I'm on a roll here, if the basic argument is that a women in fact has "Reproductive rights" and the fetus is dependent upon the mother for life then why shouldn't that same mother be able to auction that fetus to the highest bidder? Since the fetus is not yet born at time of sale there would be no slavery issue as the date of birth would serve as the "product" delivery date. If we are going to be consistent.