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Well let me throw this out there. If a passenger travels with a service animal, that animal MUST be at the passengers feet. It cannot sit at the feet of a passenger to the right or left of them. So with that being said why would it be ok for a larger passenger to spill over into the passengers seat to the left or right of them? The majority of america can fit in an aircraft seat though we all know they are ridiculously small. The majority of the public that would fall under this moronic "1 inch rule" are most likely NOT disabled or handicapped. AMERICA IS THE FATTEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET! ! ! ! Step away from the refrigerator and skip the drive-thru. It's as bad as getting rid of peanuts. 🙄
 
Ok, so if I am to book with US Airways in the future, I will need to pay even more attention to which type of plane I will be getting on.

CRJ, ERJ 757 or 737, I will violate the 1" rule (shoulders, call it a half inch on the backside). Airbus family, E70, I will have no problems. If I'm booking a flight and I see a 767 as the plane, I will book with another carrier.

Now if i'm on an ERJ in an A seat and I have to lean 4 inches of shoulder into the aisle due to the curvature of the the fuselage, do I need to pay for two seats? It's almost comical to see me in the A seat on an ERJ, my head hits the ceiling, my knees are dug into the back of the seat in front of me and I have to lean to my right the entire flight. Usually the FA will convince whoever is in 1A to switch with me, but not always.

Does this policy extend to the regionals?
Really, what about the guy with the big shoulders? On a full flight from DC to PHX, recently, I had an aisle seat in coach on a 757 and the guy in the middle seat was, well, a big guy -- yes, overweight. His shoulders had to extend at least 3 inches beyond the edge of the seat back in BOTH directions. But, his buttox fit just fine and the arm rest was down. However, I had to lean to the left, into the aisle, the entire flight. He seemed like a nice enough guy. I considered trading seats with him, except the guy in the window seat was nearly as broad and I had no desire to spend nearly 5 hours between the two of them, so I stayed in my aisle seat, leaning like the tower of Pisa.

So, the "big shoulders" guy, he gets a "free" ride in my space, but a person with large hips (more than likely, a "woman" and therefore, a discriminatory policy) will have to buy a 2nd seat because she asked for an extender???? Not right, not fair. Don't want to have to enforce it.
 
Under EEOC guidelines for "impairment" which would require accomodation by an employer and thus covered by the ADA:

"On the other hand, severe obesity,15 which has been
defined as body weight more than 100% over the norm, see The
Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy 981 (Robert Berkow ed.,
16th ed. 1992), is clearly an impairment. See Cook v. Rhode
Island Dep't of Mental Health, Retardation and Hosp., 10 F.3d 17,
63 EPD Par. 42,673, 2 AD Cas. (BNA) 1476 (1st Cir. 1993). In
addition, a person with obesity may have an underlying or
resultant physiological disorder, such as hypertension or a
thyroid disorder. A physiological disorder is an impairment.
See 29 C.F.R. § 1630.2(h).16"

I hope the class action settlement would result in a seat (or two) on the board.
 
Obesity, by itself, is not a covered disability under the ACAA and Part 382.
 
Under EEOC guidelines for "impairment" which would require accomodation by an employer and thus covered by the ADA:

In
addition, a person with obesity may have an underlying or
resultant physiological disorder, such as hypertension or a
thyroid disorder. A physiological disorder is an impairment.
See 29 C.F.R. § 1630.2(h).16"

I hope the class action settlement would result in a seat (or two) on the board.
A diagnosis for a physiological disorder is determined when the assessment of a patient's particular system is not within the established "norm" for optimal health. Many onboard would be considered "impaired" if they wear corrective eye glasses, have a cold, or have excessive gas. Under your broad description, taken from a little snippet of a HUGE manual, anyone could claim an impairment because some conditions can not be proven. Subjective conditions such as psychological/psychiatric stress (requiring the ChiHuaHua), or pain--such as " I have a tremendous PAIN in the ***, therefore, I am entitled to be accomodated under EEOC's guideline 29 C.F.R.SEC 1630.2(h).16
 
I recall reading an article about pax of size and WN a couple of years back. It details WN's approach which was systematic, rational, and fair. The GAs identify a potential pax of size and they discretely and quietly determine if the pax can fit into a seat by taking them into the aircraft prior to boarding where they resolve the problem out of sight of others. Can't say that this is how it's presently being implemented, but that's what the article said.

As to policy disclosure issues, this link clearly details the WN Customer of Size Policy. I do note that WN refers to overly large folks as "customers of size" (COS) rather than "pax of size" (POS) as the latter could become a rather abusive acronym in some folks' hands.

The main point here is that several other carriers do indeed have a size policy and in the case of WN, it's out there on the web site and easy to find and understand. Tempe does indeed miss the boat when it comes to being forthright both with employees and customers. Shame on them for a lack of will to put the words out there. Likewise US should demonstrate more regard for its employees as well.

I'm a little surprised with the dismissive attitude of some folks here. Size and "seat squash" is not a new issue, and it is indeed a problem for both parties involved. And many pax ( and some posters here ) make quite clear, if one pays for a seat, then they should indeed have a reasonable expectation that another pax is not going to overflow into their seat. This is not an issue of Big Mac Overlap and American obesity, nor is it a civil rights issue. It is about common sense and civility.

I for one hope that US steps up and makes the policy public, and in clear, easy to understand terms. Likewise, the employees had better enforce the policy as both pax involved in such a seating issue have legitimate interests which in truth are more mutually connected than they are opposing.

The buck does indeed stop at the gate before folks get onto the plane. I don't want to have get on a plane a confront a moribund obese pax with their problem ( I too have sensitivity & empathy for their condition). But I'm a paying pax who has every expectation of being able to sit in my seat unimpaired. So neither I nor the moribund obese have to apologize, but things are what they are and must be dealt with accordingly -- in a discrete manner.

Barry
 
Let me ask this. When are they going to have more strict procedures for sizing a f/a's rear? I don't care about their ability to "do their jobs". Some are freaking HUGE. Can't even get down the aisle. There is no way someone is gonna convince me that Susie Snowflake weighing 150 more pounds than me is gonna have the same hussle and bussle when it comes to getting an evac done. Sorry, cut it how you like....Won't happen. If your gonna throw big passengers off the plane (which I won't be a part of) the better start throwing some flight attendants off the plane right along with them. I weigh about 155 and I can't tell you how many times my one A##cheak has had to hang off a j/s for takeoff and landing.
 
Let me ask this. When are they going to have more strict procedures for sizing a f/a's rear? I don't care about their ability to "do their jobs". Some are freaking HUGE. Can't even get down the aisle. There is no way someone is gonna convince me that Susie Snowflake weighing 150 more pounds than me is gonna have the same hussle and bussle when it comes to getting an evac done. Sorry, cut it how you like....Won't happen. If your gonna throw big passengers off the plane (which I won't be a part of) the better start throwing some flight attendants off the plane right along with them. I weigh about 155 and I can't tell you how many times my one A##cheak has had to hang off a j/s for takeoff and landing.

Why would you stay on a jumpseat that you are only half on? In the event of an emergency you are not going to be protected.

Sitting in the smoke room in CLT, a male FA said he encountered this problem onboard and called a supervisor down to the plane. He was removed from the flight and replaced with another FA. No other action was taken against him or the other FA.
 
Here's a thought, make planes with wider seats for our collective wider backsides.

One of the best things Boeing has ever done is limit the configurations available on the 787 to maintain the increased comfort levels that were promised to the flying public.
 
Here's a thought, make planes with wider seats for our collective wider backsides.

One of the best things Boeing has ever done is limit the configurations available on the 787 to maintain the increased comfort levels that were promised to the flying public.
We could bring back the ever-popular "business select", but we could call it "SIZE select". After all, why should someone who overflows by one inch pay what someone who overflows by four? It will be so much fun to adjust the seats every flight! I miss those good ole days!!!
 

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