pilots and flight attendants BOTH sign a merger agreement!

[dfw gen]

And the silence from the twu goes on.....

But hewittless should go to the intl
Cirri and stealer get their deal....

 

[1AA]

Should it be the Pilots and Flight Attendants union LEADERSHIP sign a merger agreement? Did anyone share the details of the agreement with the members of their respective union? What and how will the agreement merger affect each and everyone of us at American? Anyone know?

 

[jimntx]

Not a clue. I got an email from the union (APFA) this morning. It said that the union officers "had approved a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) regarding the merger. However, due to the Non-Disclosure Agreement, we can't tell you what we agreed to on your behalf."

For all I know, the AA f/as will be stapled below the most junior LCC f/a, and the APFA officers get a $1 million payoff each.

 

[Art at ISP]

I am still amazed that a supposedly intelligent group of people would vote to merge with US and risk Doug Parker being in charge when he has proven himself to NOT be a friend of labor OR customers. Over 7 years in and there is no labor peace at US, and you want to work with this guy? What makes you think he'll keep his word regarding promises he makes to get your support? And what makes you think US labor will just go along?

Personally I think the only way this merger works is with AA/AMR the acquiring entity and potentially bringing in outside talent as a new management team. Parker is over his head at US, what makes you think he'll do anything positive here?

 

[1AA]

Not tot mention dumping our frozen pensions to the PBGC in the near future.

 

[Bob Owens]

For all I know, the AA f/as will be stapled below the most junior LCC f/a, and the APFA officers get a $1 million payoff each.

Well if so at least they didnt sell you out for A5 passes for life and pensions calculated based upon what the union paid them instead of what they would have earned as a worker.

 

[wings396]

I am still amazed that a supposedly intelligent group of people would vote to merge with US and risk Doug Parker being in charge when he has proven himself to NOT be a friend of labor OR customers. Over 7 years in and there is no labor peace at US, and you want to work with this guy? What makes you think he'll keep his word regarding promises he makes to get your support? And what makes you think US labor will just go along?

Personally I think the only way this merger works is with AA/AMR the acquiring entity and potentially bringing in outside talent as a new management team. Parker is over his head at US, what makes you think he'll do anything positive here?

While I can agree with some of your comments about Parker, he is in no way in over his head at US. Making a profit with limited resources isn't what I would consider being in over your head. Some of the moves that he has made at US were a method of survival. I'm willing to give him a shot at running the combined airlines.

 

[Rogallo]

Is it for sure that Parker will be the 'head cheese' if a merger happens?

 

[silverbird007]

Not a clue. I got an email from the union (APFA) this morning. It said that the union officers "had approved a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) regarding the merger. However, due to the Non-Disclosure Agreement, we can't tell you what we agreed to on your behalf."

For all I know, the AA f/as will be stapled below the most junior LCC f/a, and the APFA officers get a $1 million payoff each.

no more staples, the former TWA fa's lobbied for that. Either way if your junior at AA your gonna be even more junior if we merge. Were's my buyout? LOL

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

US is making profits because of the depressed wages of the workforce.Prior to AMR filing I recall reading that if AMR had the US wage structure it would have been just as "wildly profitable" as US appears to be at the moment.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Should it be the Pilots and Flight Attendants union LEADERSHIP sign a merger agreement? Did anyone share the details of the agreement with the members of their respective union?

I'm thinking the respective unions siging the NDA would preclude any release of information to the membership.

 

[Art at ISP]

Wings,

US was profitable for two reasons only--one was paying the lowest wages in the industry, and the other was leading the way with ancillary fees and nickel and diming of customers. Parker told me to my face at one meeting with a large group of customers that their profit in 2009 was EQUAL to the amount collected in fees. Remember these are the "customer oriented" managers who tried to charge for soft drinks and water....

If all things were equal and labor was paid even close to the industry standard, US would not be a financial standout, and would likely be somewhat in the red or comparable to other major carriers.

To the fine folks at AA, I say be careful what you wish for...Parker considers both employees and customers as liabilities, not assets...

If only we could get Gordon Bethune out of retirement....🙂

 

[IORFA]

no more staples, the former TWA fa's lobbied for that. Either way if your junior at AA your gonna be even more junior if we merge. Were's my buyout? LOL

Again, the MCB legislation doesn't and has never required anything, including DOH. All it does is require arbitration if the parties can not agree on a seniority list. If you agree to being stapled, no one will stop you. That is exactly what WN was trying to do to the F9 pilots. The said no and WN left. Worst decision those guys/gals ever made in my opinion. I mean who really wants to work for a company that has never had forced layoffs and pays above industry standards pay rates. Must have been tortuous to even contemplate.

 

[wings396]

Art, please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all of the majors enjoying huge revenues from the same type of fees that you speak of?

 

[777 / 767 / 757 Love]

Should it be the Pilots and Flight Attendants union LEADERSHIP sign a merger agreement? Did anyone share the details of the agreement with the members of their respective union? What and how will the agreement merger affect each and everyone of us at American? Anyone know?

Why would they allow membership to vote? Its not like this will affect your careers like a contract regarding seniority and......oh, wait a second........

If we are throwing out the management team, why not do a clean sweep and throw out Union leadership.

BTW, if I'm US employees or AA employees wanting to dump Parker for Horton or Horton for Parker at ANY COST, is a good old case of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

Wings,

US was profitable for two reasons only--one was paying the lowest wages in the industry, and the other was leading the way with ancillary fees and nickel and diming of customers. Parker told me to my face at one meeting with a large group of customers that their profit in 2009 was EQUAL to the amount collected in fees. Remember these are the "customer oriented" managers who tried to charge for soft drinks and water....

If all things were equal and labor was paid even close to the industry standard, US would not be a financial standout, and would likely be somewhat in the red or comparable to other major carriers.

To the fine folks at AA, I say be careful what you wish for...Parker considers both employees and customers as liabilities, not assets...

If only we could get Gordon Bethune out of retirement.... 🙂

Wait, are you asking people to compare Apples-to-Apples? What a novel concept.....but I think most here prefer the apples-to-pears comparison.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757