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Letter to All TWU Local AA/AE Presidents and International Representatives Assigned
Published 12/08/2011
Dear Sisters and Brothers:
Since the AA/AE bankruptcy filing on November 29, 2011, we have been working diligently to provide thorough information to you regarding the bankruptcy process, as our legal team continues to navigate through the various court proceedings. We will also continue to provide you up to date information on our newly created website: http://aa.twu.org.
The Company has announced that it will be presenting “new [CBA] proposals” to “seek further changes to its TWU agreements pursuant to Section 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code.” (The Company will be employing the same approach in seeking changes to its other collective bargaining agreements with its other unions.) Section 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code governs whether a debtor company may reject a CBA and sets forth various substantive and procedural requirements. A Section 1113 motion to reject a CBA is ruled on by the Bankruptcy Judge.
Over the last week we have received a number of inquiries regarding bankruptcy negotiations. The International Administrative Committee (IAC) in consultation with our legal and consultant team are meeting with your Local representatives today in connection with the following announcement regarding TWU negotiations: Given the extraordinary circumstances presented, as well as the fact that the negotiations will be conducted under Section 1113, the following negotiation structure will be implemented by TWU -- your collective bargaining representative -- before a bankruptcy code 1113(c) motion filing and after an 1113(c) motion filing to assure that you receive thorough and expert representation (for example, to avoid procedural missteps under Section 1113 which could risk implementation of unnecessary concessions on employees).
Published 12/08/2011
Dear Sisters and Brothers:
Since the AA/AE bankruptcy filing on November 29, 2011, we have been working diligently to provide thorough information to you regarding the bankruptcy process, as our legal team continues to navigate through the various court proceedings. We will also continue to provide you up to date information on our newly created website: http://aa.twu.org.
The Company has announced that it will be presenting “new [CBA] proposals” to “seek further changes to its TWU agreements pursuant to Section 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code.” (The Company will be employing the same approach in seeking changes to its other collective bargaining agreements with its other unions.) Section 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code governs whether a debtor company may reject a CBA and sets forth various substantive and procedural requirements. A Section 1113 motion to reject a CBA is ruled on by the Bankruptcy Judge.
Over the last week we have received a number of inquiries regarding bankruptcy negotiations. The International Administrative Committee (IAC) in consultation with our legal and consultant team are meeting with your Local representatives today in connection with the following announcement regarding TWU negotiations: Given the extraordinary circumstances presented, as well as the fact that the negotiations will be conducted under Section 1113, the following negotiation structure will be implemented by TWU -- your collective bargaining representative -- before a bankruptcy code 1113(c) motion filing and after an 1113(c) motion filing to assure that you receive thorough and expert representation (for example, to avoid procedural missteps under Section 1113 which could risk implementation of unnecessary concessions on employees).
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We had a chance at "I've got mine, Brother"
Now we are relegated to
"I want mine, brother"
Who are you willing to screw to get yours? And how bad are you willing to screw them?
Now we are relegated to
"I want mine, brother"
Who are you willing to screw to get yours? And how bad are you willing to screw them?
Informer you need to get a grip on reality. American's fate was decided a long time ago when United and Delta declared bankruptcy. It was only reenforced with the mergers of Continental and Northwest. It didn't matter who represented you TWU,AMFA,AMP or the Mickey Mouse Club, you still have the same members. The bottom line is that the company chooses to run the business they way they want, even if it is into the ground. When UA and Dl set the standard for Retirement plans, medical plans and staffing it was only a matter of time before BK became reality. Don't know about you but as far as i have seen American's management has had no vision or plan for the future ie maybe when everyone else's cost catches up we will be competitive, the writing was on the board. Once UA and DL did away or froze pensions it was only a matter of time the only was to get competitive was to match the competition. Were any work groups willing to give up your pensions and retiree medical volunterialy? No, so the only choice was to have them frozen by force plz note frozen not taken. Do i like it hell no, did i vote no on the ta? YES I DID VOTE NO! Why if they wanted to match the competition everyone suffers you me, creditors and everyone else. Are there winners, sure The Reddings and Arpeys always win it's the nature of the game in business that's why they are at the top. Don't like it get your MBA and climb to the top. Do i want to see overhaul go? No if American is foolish enough to tear apart a good structure that needs to be fixed not destroyed its just another foolish and short sighted decision by management out of touch with reality.
Hindsight is 20-20 we probably should have taken the two year extension offered years ago. But the TA we turned down no way all it would have done is prolong the pain and we would have been in BK anyway with a lot less money in the bank.At this point with American as debtor in possesion they have control. Maybe they wont #### it up. The real money is in the pilots pension plan its that simple if they did not settle all bets were off. Not blaming them but stating reality, again UA and DL set the stage.
I for one am glad they filed BK at least they made a decision, now the uncertainty is gone. Now we just have to figure out whats left afterwards.
again any thing slipping out on our "new ta"?
Hindsight is 20-20 we probably should have taken the two year extension offered years ago. But the TA we turned down no way all it would have done is prolong the pain and we would have been in BK anyway with a lot less money in the bank.At this point with American as debtor in possesion they have control. Maybe they wont #### it up. The real money is in the pilots pension plan its that simple if they did not settle all bets were off. Not blaming them but stating reality, again UA and DL set the stage.
I for one am glad they filed BK at least they made a decision, now the uncertainty is gone. Now we just have to figure out whats left afterwards.
again any thing slipping out on our "new ta"?
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Explain your math that having a 6% signing bonus and $2.55 per hour equals your belief that
You have a low battery in your calulator because mine indicates you would have had more money in the bank, not less. Unless you are talking about the company bank balance, I think you are missing some basic math skills.
And if your uncertainty is now gone because the Chapter 11 filing has taken place, you need to see a Doctor and rid yourself of the same illness that Bob Owens is suffering from. Because I see more uncertaintly now not less.
If you felt that way you should have built a "vote yes" vocal group. That's unionism and democracy i voted for what i thought was right, kind of like majority rules. What happened not your majority? If we did take the deal and then everyone else was not on board ie pilots,FA's and fleet service a year from now there would be less cash in the bank and i can guarantee you that if someone else ran the show overhaul would be history. Again BK was inevitable for AA. thinking that it was a good thing that you get a few dollars in your pocket would have helped is very short sighted. The pensions are frozen the only question is PBGC or does AA get a timeline to fully fund them. Fleet service is screwed either now or later doesn't matter it was coming. FA's they will fly more and probably get a little more. Pilots are screwed no matter how you look at it, they will fly more for less with less in retirement. Maintenance good question how we make out. Again the only winners are on top, if you did not plan after 9/11 there is no one to blame but yourself
just sit in your shop producing one seat every two weeks telling yourself "i almost had mine" "i almost had mine" "i almost had mine" click your heels together at the same time.
again anything sneaking out on our "new ta"
just sit in your shop producing one seat every two weeks telling yourself "i almost had mine" "i almost had mine" "i almost had mine" click your heels together at the same time.
again anything sneaking out on our "new ta"
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Fair enough. Now can you explain the rewards that the curent administration has garnered us under the current administration and how they relate to the T/A request you started this thread with? Maybe, while you are doing that you can include Occupy Wall Street and how the union chose to pattern themselves after this diverse group?
Have no idea who strake is. couldn't care less about his view,definetly don't support it either. Don't see what this administration will do for us just like the last administration. like the song says "new boss just like the old boss" or something like that. All i'm interested is reality, reality for me is not at the top its at the bottom just like everyone else on this board. Just curious what the future will bring for us. Used to worry about it now just relieved someone some where made a decision BK. Occupy wall street? noble cause fools errand. not sure how that fits into this thread unless of course EVERYONE at the bottom is willing to stand up and say no more greed and bullshit. Country's not there yet, like i said noble cause fools errand.
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I figure anyone that believes either political party is good as far as labor goes is likely an off spring of that inbread humping.
Of course you have proof the Democrats are helping your cause?
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I have accepted more majority rules that were against my personal beliefs than I care to count.
Doesn't change the fact that we would indeed have more money in the bank had the T/A passed.
Which you claimed otherwise. And I am not in any seat shop producing one seat per day either. Is there anything you can get right?
Spend more time busting your ass on your laptop during working hours surfiong this forum and you will see I am a welder.
And when you get done lowering me below yourself due to my skill, try explaining why every A&P AMT on the base brings their G-Jobs to one of the weld shops to have their broken crap fixed? We fix their broken crap, make custom angled wrenches that make their jobs easier at least twice a week. Then they walk off and call us unskilled and not worthy of being in their union. Pure Genius!
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Yes! You made the off-topic point that some Political Party or how one votes makes damn bit of difference in this fight.
Those are true qualifications of the inbred stooge you attempted to call me.
Anyone with the goal to see how bad things have to get before your point is made is an outright ignoramous.
Word on the street is this: DFW will be reduced by 21-26%. Most flights that will get cut will be the flights that AA still flys just to keep customers (not making money) which are in direct compatition with Southwest just 8 miles away at a more customer friendly airport, fixing to be even more customer friendly after the total make over is done. Plus now that the "Green Line" is done, most all customers don't even have to drive to the airport, just take the DART.
Some maint. over at Alliance may be relocated to more cost efficient locations like Tulsa. Some "other" maint. lines will get reduced, if not canceled in Tulsa to make room for the transfer of some maint. from Alliance to Tulsa, or wherever they decide to move to.
Pensions will be turned over to the gov. Wages will get attacked again. Cost of medical will increase for less coverage. Retires covered medical will also get hammered pretty hard.
AA Doesn't want US as a merger partner, they would prefer to do it on thier own. However they could easily go after JetBlue, Frontier, and of coarse AE. Not only to get back to thier number one stattus, but to rid of some more compatition.
The biggest thing AA needs to prepare for is the direct "MAJOR" compatition coming to them from Southwest in 2014 when the W/E goes away. Southwest will spend millions upon millions to advertise DAL as a new city. Most people outside of the Texas area don't even realize why Southwest doesn't fly non-stop from here, when Southwest starts the advertising campaign more than likely in Late 2012 or maybe into 2013, it will have a huge effect on AA.
There will also be reductions in the work force as well, no numbers yet, do to it is all tied to the amount of flight reductions, maint. reductions and so on... But be prepared, the numbers will be huge. This is all we are hearing so far....
