Prop 8 over turned in CA

[SparrowHawk]

I guess the judge did not agree with you.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2011/0614/Prop.-8-ruling-gay-judge-didn-t-need-to-recuse-himself

I would hope that the Federal Judge that issued his ruling had more than a few pages of news articles upon which to base his decision.

I didn't and don't have reams of transcripts and legal research at my disposal. From my vantage point, there was an APPEARANCE of impropriety. The judge, however DID have all of the evidence and testimony upon which to base his decision. I personally am comfortable that justice was done as far as determining whether the judge should have recused himself.

The Judiciary has to be above reproach at all levels in order for us to survive as a society. Making certain that this judge was above reproach is a good thing and whether or not people like his underlying ruling he was found to have delivered a fair decision and that proves the system worked.

 

[Ms Tree]

Like the article said, it would have set a bad precedent to have him recused.

Blacks can sit on a civil rights cases, women of women cases. ..Etc. The appeal to have him recused was a hail marry that had no hope.

I think the CA supreme court will deny standing. I dont know if the prop8 folks will have the ability to appeal that of they are dead in the water. I am some what on the fence about if it will be good in front of the SCOTUS or not. I lean toward a favorablenout come but I am not sure about Scalia.

 

[xUT]

There is a show on TV called sister wives. Interesting show. One man and 4 wives. I think they have 16 children. One legal marriage and the rest are married through the church with no legal standing.

Does not affect me. What do I care how many wives he has.

Don't have much time for 'TV' I have a job.
B) xUT

 

[SparrowHawk]

Don't have much time for 'TV' I have a job.
B) xUT

Yeah is it true that Manual Labor is the President of Mexico?

Hey maybe I'll ad Mexicans to the list of groups Ms Tree thinks I hate?

Since I don't agree therefore I hate.

Maybe we could make a hate list? How would that be?

 

[xUT]

Yeah is it true that Manual Labor is the President of Mexico?

Hey maybe I'll ad Mexicans to the list of groups Ms Tree thinks I hate?

Since I don't agree therefore I hate.

Maybe we could make a hate list? How would that be?

I hate that...

 

[Ms Tree]

Yeah is it true that Manual Labor is the President of Mexico?

Hey maybe I'll ad Mexicans to the list of groups Ms Tree thinks I hate?

Since I don't agree therefore I hate.

Maybe we could make a hate list? How would that be?

I have not seen any indication that you wish to deprive them of their rights so I dont think that applies.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Playing Hardball on Softball
6/17/2011


Traditional organizations like the Boy Scouts of America have long been under siege by atheists and pro-gay lobbyists who insist they shouldn't have the freedom of association to maintain their God-fearing identity. But you think that's maddening? How about the ultimate cultural flip-flop of a gay softball league going to federal court to insist that bisexual or heterosexual players can't play ball with them?

In Seattle, Reagan-appointed U.S. District Judge John Coughenour ruled that a group called the North American Gay Amateur Athletic Alliance has a First Amendment right to limit the number of bisexual or heterosexual players.

"It would be difficult for NAGAAA to effectively emphasize a vision of the gay lifestyle rooted in athleticism, competition and sportsmanship if it were prohibited from maintaining a gay identity," the judge wrote.

In other words, the gay left now can have it both ways. They can force "anti-discrimination" rules on everybody else, but they don't have to follow them.

Full Story


It's articles like this and the events that cause them to be written is but one of the reasons why my support of the "Home Promo" agenda of the Progressives is lukewarm at best. Like I said before rights are conferred on individuals NOT on groups.

Could you imagine the outcry and moral indignation if we were talking about a whites only Softball Tournament?

 

[Ms Tree]

Apples and oranges.

The issue with the BSA is them using public grounds when they are an exclusionary group. You cannot do that and get a free ride on the US tax dollar. There has never been a case (as far as I am aware) that forced the BSA to allow people who did not meet their criteria. They are a private group and can do as they please.

The issue with the softball group is a matter of who they are allowing in their group. If they are a privately funded group they can limit their membership in any way they choose to (just as the BSA are able to by not allowing gays in their group).

Were either group a publicly funded group then they would have to allow anyone in their group who meet the general qualifications. They would not be allowed to discriminate.

This article is merely another (among many) homophobic op-ed piece of yellow journalism that distorts the true in an effort to create more prejudice against the gay community.

If the journalist had any integrity he would have brought up the fact that the BSA exclude gays from their membership and the softball group is excluding bi/transgender from their groups. Unfortunately that would not have worked for his agenda.

Yes, a whites only group would meet with quite a bit of out cry. I am pretty sure that is why any time the KKK does something there is an out cry. It is much more acceptable today to exclude gays from society since there is a greater hatred and fear of them.

Were this article true I would be quite put off by the gay 'agenda' as well. As it is, this is just a article of lies that people who gays anyway will believe. Their mind will not be changed by the truth.

 

[delldude]

No, the issue isn't with them using public grounds.......Its them preventing gays from participation, and people getting wigged out over their use of public grounds....Be advised, anti gays pay taxes too and are entitled to public land use just like straights.

 

[Ms Tree]

Their membership rules are oy a portion of the issue. The fact that they are bias and wish to use public lands are the issue. It is as if they were receiving public funds. If you wish to use public any thing you can not exclude. If hour do not use public funds/land or what ever, then you may do as you choose.

The KKK pay taxes as well but they cannot use public lands for free like the BSA can.

 

[Ms Tree]

NY seeking to pass gay marriage law

With the clock ticking on New York's legislative session, Gov. Andrew Cuomo is hoping lawmakers will use their last scheduled day to take up his proposed legislation to legalize same-sex marriage.

Currently, 31 senators, including two Republicans, are in favor of the bill. Its backers need one more GOP member to vote in favor for it to pass.

Cuomo says it would grant same-sex couples equal rights to marry "as well as hundreds of rights, benefits and protections that are currently limited to married couples of the opposite sex."

This is a smoke screen. Religion is a private institution. They do not receive public funds. They are not obligated to marry anyone they do not want to. The Catholic church is not obligated to marry Mormons.

A vote on the measure, which the state Assembly passed Wednesday night, has been stalled in part by Republican concerns over protections for religious institutions against the potential for litigation in the wake of the proposed law.

 

[Ms Tree]

http://m.apnews.mobi/ap/db_36972/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=wR456NDN

NY has passed the law. This is a huge step toward gay equality.

 

[delldude]

http://m.apnews.mobi/ap/db_36972/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=wR456NDN

NY has passed the law. This is a huge step toward gay equality.

NY the new Sodom and Gomorrah?

 

[Ms Tree]

Nope. Its the new example for equality. Im sorry you do not understand that. Gays will more than likely gain legal equality in the US regardless of what the religious wack jobs and homophobes want.

This is a good day for tbe US.

 

[delldude]

Nope. Its the new example for equality. Im sorry you do not understand that. Gays will more than likely gain legal equality in the US regardless of what the religious wack jobs and homophobes want.

This is a good day for tbe US.

You need background music.

Lucky for them Islam is coming.