Quotes from the Nicolau Award

[Junebug172]

“Our view is that neither picture is persuasive. The US Airways reliance on post-merger statements by America West CEO, clearly made to assuage growing concerns of America West pilots who had seen a post-merger end to hiring, and increasing return of long-furloughed US Airways pilots and a flattening in their own advancement, is misplaced. Equally so is America West’s insistence that US Airways was about to disappear. Yet, it cannot be disputed that there were differences in the financial condition of both carriers and that US Airways was the weaker. This necessarily means that career expectations differed and that US Airways pilots had more to gain from the merger than their new colleagues.â€￾

 

[Callsign_Cactus]

Screw the Nic award quotes! What a joke putting out quotes from the award…do you think any east pilot is going to listen or understand at this point? Focus on our rights under the TA and pursue all options. I posted this under another topic:

"The America West MEC and the US Airways MEC will agree internally as to which pilot group shall operate such aircraft or will implement a process, including binding arbitration if necessary, to determine the Association’s position regarding the allocation of such flying. In the event that the Airline Parties do not agree with the Association position, then the dispute will be resolved in accordance with Section X. below. The standard to be applied by the Arbitrator in that proceeding will be the fair and equitable allocation of flying between the two pilot groups. Nothing in this paragraph will delay or prevent the Airline Parties from putting such aircraft into revenue service."

After certificate merge we need to make it clear to the Company there is no excuses (e.g. no bridge training program) for not sharing the flying in an equitable manner. It will go to arbitration and then we can force the Company to comply. This will cost the Company more money as they might be forced to open a West base in the east to accommodate the award, thus leverage to persuade the Company to pressure ALPA and east for single contract/operations.

“Our view is that neither picture is persuasive. The US Airways reliance on pyou still seeost-merger statements by America West CEO, clearly made to assuage growing concerns of America West pilots who had seen a post-merger end to hiring, and increasing return of long-furloughed US Airways pilots and a flattening in their own advancement, is misplaced. Equally so is America West’s insistence that US Airways was about to disappear. Yet, it cannot be disputed that there were differences in the financial condition of both carriers and that US Airways was the weaker. This necessarily means that career expectations differed and that US Airways pilots had more to gain from the merger than their new colleagues.â€￾

 

[Phoenix]

Nicolau's decision is the symptom. ALPA being nothing more than an expensive, fractured, and pretend union is the issue.

It is pointless to repeat what Nicolau said. It cannot solve any of the issues about why there is no unity.

 

[A320 Driver]

Screw the Nic award quotes! What a joke putting out quotes from the award…do you think any east pilot is going to listen or understand at this point? Focus on our rights under the TA and pursue all options. I posted this under another topic:

"The America West MEC and the US Airways MEC will agree internally as to which pilot group shall operate such aircraft or will implement a process, including binding arbitration if necessary, to determine the Association’s position regarding the allocation of such flying. In the event that the Airline Parties do not agree with the Association position, then the dispute will be resolved in accordance with Section X. below. The standard to be applied by the Arbitrator in that proceeding will be the fair and equitable allocation of flying between the two pilot groups. Nothing in this paragraph will delay or prevent the Airline Parties from putting such aircraft into revenue service."

After certificate merge we need to make it clear to the Company there is no excuses (e.g. no bridge training program) for not sharing the flying in an equitable manner. It will go to arbitration and then we can force the Company to comply. This will cost the Company more money as they might be forced to open a West base in the east to accommodate the award, thus leverage to persuade the Company to pressure ALPA and east for single contract/operations.

The bridge training is a requirement levied by the FAA, not the company. The only "New Flying" that you were entitled to in the TA came in the form of 3 757s and the 190s. Now, since East is losing more 757s than it got and the 190s are clearly replacement aircraft for the 737s as are the new 330s for 767s, what is it exactly that you feel West is entitled to?

East is backing up as far as group II jobs (737/320s). Any flying that West gets from these deliveries would clearly be a transfer of aircraft/flying which is prohibited by the TA. If anything, East can make a case that the 757 and 190 slots West got from previous arbitration should now be null and void since they no longer represent an increase in flying.

A320 Driver B)

 

[BoeingBoy]

clearly replacement aircraft.... <snip> ....since they no longer represent an increase in flying

None of which is mentioned in the transition agreement.....

The TA specifies specific aircraft operated by the two sides - by tail number/delivery date - when the TA was signed. Any other aircraft that come on the property are "fair game" for either side.

Jim

 

[Phoenix]

"fair game"

Now that is the funniest term I have seen in a long time, given the circumstances that seem to make it such an impossible term to mutually define.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Now that is the funniest term I have seen in a long time, given the circumstances that seem to make it such an impossible term to mutually define.

I must admit - the irony of using that phrase didn't hit me as I was typing..... 😀

Jim

 

[Junebug172]

None of which is mentioned in the transition agreement.....

The TA specifies specific aircraft operated by the two sides - by tail number/delivery date - when the TA was signed. Any other aircraft that come on the property are "fair game" for either side.

Jim

Which is where AQP comes into play.

 

[Callsign_Cactus]

Oh boy, are you in for a rude awakening! I believe your MEC realizes this fact, which explains there resolution trying to prevent certificate merge in September. Once there is one certificate...west is east (if you know what I mean), and every new aircraft that is placed on the certificate will need to be shared - an arbitrator will decide what is fair and equitable. Once that decision is made the east MEC will have no recourse whatsoever and the Company will be forced to staff those aircraft with west pilots. So, like I said, don’t think for a minute we are going to let you capture all of the international growth flying. Yes, Scott Kirby has said all growth will be international only for the foreseeable future.

Count on a west pilot base in PHL.

The bridge training is a requirement levied by the FAA, not the company. The only "New Flying" that you were entitled to in the TA came in the form of 3 757s and the 190s. Now, since East is losing more 757s than it got and the 190s are clearly replacement aircraft for the 737s as are the new 330s for 767s, what is it exactly that you feel West is entitled to?

East is backing up as far as group II jobs (737/320s). Any flying that West gets from these deliveries would clearly be a transfer of aircraft/flying which is prohibited by the TA. If anything, East can make a case that the 757 and 190 slots West got from previous arbitration should now be null and void since they no longer represent an increase in flying.

A320 Driver B)

 

[EastUS]

Count on a west pilot base in PHL.

"Oh boy, are you in for a rude awakening!"

 

[Phoenix]

...
Count on ...

Having such confidence in devining the future is a common error of all young pilots, corrected in due time.

 

[EastUS]

Having such confidence in devining the future is a common error of all young pilots, corrected in due time.

Indeed. 'Tis the stuff that dreams/"career expectations" are made of.

We're facing the high likliehood of another "merger", or at least major changes in the corporate entity within the near future...and these guys are still projecting away as if AWA's the center of the universe here.

 

[Callsign_Cactus]

QUOTE(Phoenix @ Jul 28 2007, 07:14 PM)

Having such confidence in devining the future is a common error of all young pilots, corrected in due time.

It appears to be a common error among all pilots, especially the types posting on this board.

Indeed. 'Tis the stuff that dreams/"career expectations" are made of.

We're facing the high likliehood of another "merger", or at least major changes in the corporate entity within the near future...and these guys are still projecting away as if AWA's the center of the universe here.

Didn't you read what Phoenix had to say about "devining the future"

Keep laughing, it's the best form of therapy for your type of illness.

"Oh boy, are you in for a rude awakening!"

 

[SKY HIGH]

Yet, it cannot be disputed that there were differences in the financial condition of both carriers and that US Airways was the weaker.

here's the financial differences(from the full 10Q report below)

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/fetchF...2&Type=HTML

what's interesting is that all the profits came from the US Airways side ("East") whereas the AWA side ("West") actually reported losses:

AWA:
Operating revenues: $902 million
Operating Expenses: $927 million
Operating Loss: $25 million
Net Loss: $8 million

US Airways:
Operating Revenues: $2.3 billion
Operating Expenses: $1.96 billion
Operating Income: $320 million
Net Income: $179 million


only stating opinions

 

[flynomore]

Indeed. 'Tis the stuff that dreams/"career expectations" are made of.

We're facing the high likliehood of another "merger", or at least major changes in the corporate entity within the near future...and these guys are still projecting away as if AWA's the center of the universe here.

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I'll take career expectations for a 1000, Alex.

That and $3 at the terminal Starbux will get you a venti.