Quotes from the Nicolau Award

[EastUS]

Callsign_Cactus

The West is making a good case to sell off it's side of the operations since they are the weak link in the profit chain.

Hopefully they will sell off the West to NWA. You know the saying "cut our (West) losses and move on"

Shhhh!...You're in danger of assailing some westies "career expectations", by even suggesting that any such thing is even possible in the future.

 

[Callsign_Cactus]

OK, and your point is???

Callsign_Cactus

The West is making a good case to sell off it's side of the operations since they are the weak link in the profit chain.

Hopefully they will sell off the West to NWA. You know the saying "cut our (West) losses and move on"

 

[BottomFeeder]

OK, and your point is???

The point is that you said that you would rather be with NWA. So if the West was sold NWA then we could get back to making money.

 

[b737fo]

For once I am in agreement with BottomFeeder. Please get rid of the dead weight West operation in this new company. Let us drag down another carrier and let the East and LCC continue on their journey without us. How can we make it happen? Unfortunately I just sit in the pointy end of the jet without the ability to make these decisions.

 

[Callsign_Cactus]

Oh, ok, so if the west was not here (merger never took place) the old US would be making money and you'd be livin the dream once again?
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The point is that you said that you would rather be with NWA. So if the West was sold NWA then we could get back to making money.

 

[BottomFeeder]

Oh, ok, so if the west was not here (merger never took place) the old US would be making money and you'd be livin the dream once again?
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Well you are the weakest link in the profit chain. So if we can cut the losses and focus on profit then that is good for the company.

 

[Pi brat]

I suggest giving the who made what arguement a rest. This company is already so mixed together that Doug and Scott probably don't know where the money is coming from. I've flown a lot of former AWA routes in the last year, and am hearing a lot more cactus call signs out east.

 

[A320 Driver]

every new aircraft that is placed on the certificate will need to be shared - an arbitrator will decide what is fair and equitable. Once that decision is made the east MEC will have no recourse whatsoever and the Company will be forced to staff those aircraft with west pilots. So, like I said, don’t think for a minute we are going to let you capture all of the international growth flying.

We'll see how the arbitrator justifies giving you flying on the "new" widebodies while at the same time reducing flying on the East side. You can't have growth if you don't have ADDITIONAL aircraft. THERE ARE NONE!!!!!!

This is no different than you asking an arbitrator to bump East 767 pilots so West pilots can fly the slots. That is EXACTLY what would have to happen for West crews to fly the new widebodies.

What are you going to do, furlough East pilots? Where are the people flying the widebodies supposed to go as the airplanes are replaced? You are talking about West pilots flying current East routes. Is West going to share the HI flying? Don't think so.

A320 Driver B)

 

[Callsign_Cactus]

I'm not talking about replacement, this is new international flying that east seems to be thinking they have a lock on.

So your argument going into the arbitration will be the west deserves nothing. The arbitrator will ask you to reevaluate your position, and your MEC will politely and confidently rebuff the request. The arbitrator will rule what HE determines to be fair and equitable.

Sound familiar? You guys will never learn.

We'll see how the arbitrator justifies giving you flying on the "new" widebodies while at the same time reducing flying on the East side. You can't have growth if you don't have ADDITIONAL aircraft. THERE ARE NONE!!!!!!

This is no different than you asking an arbitrator to bump East 767 pilots so West pilots can fly the slots. That is EXACTLY what would have to happen for West crews to fly the new widebodies.

What are you going to do, furlough East pilots? Where are the people flying the widebodies supposed to go as the airplanes are replaced? You are talking about West pilots flying current East routes. Is West going to share the HI flying? Don't think so.

A320 Driver B)

 

[AWA320]

What are you going to do, furlough East pilots? Where are the people flying the widebodies supposed to go as the airplanes are replaced? You are talking about West pilots flying current East routes. Is West going to share the HI flying? Don't think so.

A320 Driver B)

Already done you just don't know it yet... 😉

 

[ClueByFour]

For all the East guys advocating "dropping the unprofitable west operation," do keep in mind that your pitiful pay is the major (if not only) reason East is making money.

If you ever want industry average pay, you won't be making money anymore. The west guys damn near break even and make more.

Be very careful what you wish for.

 

[AWA320]

Oh, ok, so if the west was not here (merger never took place) the old US would be making money and you'd be livin the dream once again?
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Ahhh Man, I wanted to say that!! 😀 🙁 😀 Anyway the point got across...

 

[john john]

None of which is mentioned in the transition agreement.....

The TA specifies specific aircraft operated by the two sides - by tail number/delivery date - when the TA was signed. Any other aircraft that come on the property are "fair game" for either side.

Jim

ALPA US what were you thinking when you negotiated the TA?
The agents will benefit from whomever flies mainline

 

[CaptainZitface]

Nicolau quotes

Page 19:
There are four basic lessons to be learned from those submissions: that each case turns on its own facts, that the objective to make the integration fair and equitable; that the proposals advanced by those in contest rarely meet that standard; and that the end result, no matter how crafted, never commands universal acceptance.

Page 29/30:
We also understand that our choice will place pilots with disparate lengths of service next to each other. That, however, is a result of the balancing of the equities inherent in ALPA merger policy, a balance that neither a top to bottom active pilot ratio as advanced by America West or a top to bottom length of service integration as proposed by US Airways achieves.

Page 34:
The Board shall retain jurisdiction in accordance with Section H.5.b. of the ALPA Merger Policy to resolve any disputes over the meaning or interpretation of this award. This retention of jurisdiction shall terminate when all provision of the Award have been satisfied.

 

[AWA320]

Nicolau quotes

Page 19:
There are four basic lessons to be learned from those submissions: that each case turns on its own facts, that the objective to make the integration fair and equitable; that the proposals advanced by those in contest rarely meet that standard; and that the end result, no matter how crafted, never commands universal acceptance.

Page 29/30:
We also understand that our choice will place pilots with disparate lengths of service next to each other. That, however, is a result of the balancing of the equities inherent in ALPA merger policy, a balance that neither a top to bottom active pilot ratio as advanced by America West or a top to bottom length of service integration as proposed by US Airways achieves.

Page 34:
The Board shall retain jurisdiction in accordance with Section H.5.b. of the ALPA Merger Policy to resolve any disputes over the meaning or interpretation of this award. This retention of jurisdiction shall terminate when all provision of the Award have been satisfied.

Page 29/30 Easties, READ IT AND UNDERSTAND!!!

Page 34 Easties see above statement before you make any other bone head sheep type moves...