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Name: Where's Wildermuth?
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Date: Sunday December 05, 2004
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Does anyone know if Kevin Wildermuth has reported back to work yet? I know he lost the election and his cushy AMFA National job, but does anyone know if the moron has pulled his tools out since then?
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Date: Sunday December 05, 2004
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Does anyone know if Kevin Wildermuth has reported back to work yet? I know he lost the election and his cushy AMFA National job, but does anyone know if the moron has pulled his tools out since then?
I think that we all can agree that over the last twenty years the TWU has done us all a disservice.
While the TWU sits back and blames our collective decline on a multitude of causes, from the economy to the members themselves-never the International, the fate of the organization stands in stark contrast to the fate of the members. While members see their real income decline, the TWU sees membership going up. More members = more dues. While the members see declining real incomes the International and its employees see soaring real incomes. First year International employees like Bobby Gless earn upwards of $120,000. Compare this to what a first year Fleet service clerk earns (less than $20,000). Bobbys qualifications? None, in fact he could not even define what an Industrial union was under oath! People like Bobby Gless are paid for their loyalty to International officers not their ability to do things for the membership. Sonny Hall was making in excess of $200,000, the increases that he and prior Presidents of the TWU International have seen has outpaced that of the members by a wide margin.
The fact is that the TWU is a business union. Here at AA they are more than willing to sell out the members to increase the amount of members paying dues.
Dues is the only thing the TWU cares about.
In fact if you look at the way our concessions were engineered they were done so in a way that would minimize the loss of dues revenue to the International while maximizing the real cost to members.
The TWU basically cut our compensation by 25% but only saw the total amount of dues per member cut by either 16 or 17.5%.
They did this by eliminating benifits and premiums. When have you ever heard of a union telling their members to give away benifits? Both USAIR and UAL members kept their benifits right through BK. They may lose them now in order to compete with AA.
The pilots took a straight 25% paycut, they already got back over 9%.
We took a total 25% pay cut and will only get back 7%(all of which will be consumed by inflation and increased medical) over the entire term of the contract.
The fact is we all need to get rid of the TWU. We should go to AMFA and you guys should go to the AGW. Then once organized industrywide in these new unions form a strong coalition.
As aafsc points out, fleet service pay is primarily determined by what other FSC workers get, the same with mechanics. During the 2001 contract cycle Mechanics got much bigger increases than Fleet Service or other workers.
Why?
Because of the contract that AMFA negotiated at NWA. During negotiations the negotiating committees of each workgroup sat there with industry figures of what other airlines were paying similar workers. The fact that mechanics got a huge increase did not help the FSCs. The union relied solely on the going market rate. While the mechanics had AMFA pushing the market rate up, the FSC had no such union. Perhaps if they did then they would have seen similar increases.
So, if airline workers wages are to be determined along class lines shouldnt it also follow that in order to maximize their influence over that that airline workers should organize along class lines? Has it hurt the pilots, the flight attendants or the mechanics?
Fleet service workers need the same thing that the pilots, the Flights attendants and some of the mechanics have- unions that believe that they can command a good salary for the work they do. The TWU will never be that union.
The TWU will continue to sacrifice your wages for more members. The introduction of part-timers, a TWU first, is one perfect example of how the TWU puts dues revenue ahead of membership living standards.
Lets say you have 40 hours of work available per week. The TWU can have one full timer FSC and collect around $40 in dues per month in dues. But if they have two part timers they can collect $80 in dues from that same weekly 40 hours. Multiply this by thousands of part timers and the TWU enjoys a huge windfall of dues from the same company. If the part timers were not there much of the work done by part timers would be coverd by OT, which does not put any additional revenue in the unions treasury.
The fact is that we all need change. We will go to AMFA and I hope that all the other workers go to the AGW. We can not fix the TWU, and at this point, even if we did it would not address the realities of this industry. Workers pay is primarily determined along class lines and we would still be all split up between unions organized along corporate lines.
If we stay in the TWU mechanics pay will continue to head towards those paid at third party overhaul facilities and non-union outfits while FSC pay will continue to converge towards minimum wage, to outfits like Triangle, Worldwide, Ogden-all TWU represented.
In the meantime the TWU will continue to grow primarliy at the expense of other unions that fight for their members.
The current structure mates the unions financial interests along with individual companies and not the members or the workforce as a whole. If the company that a particular union is mated with does well then the leaders of the International of that union will do well, even if its individual members pay the price.
AMFA and the AGW today so that we may prosper in the future.
We know which way we are going, and have been going for the last twenty years with the TWU. Its not the economy, deregulation, 9-11, fuel, LCCs or the members-its the unions and the greedy incompetant leaders (Hall=$200,000+, Little=$150,000+, Gless=$120,000+) . WE can not change these things from within. WE must just leave. What do we really have to lose?
While the TWU sits back and blames our collective decline on a multitude of causes, from the economy to the members themselves-never the International, the fate of the organization stands in stark contrast to the fate of the members. While members see their real income decline, the TWU sees membership going up. More members = more dues. While the members see declining real incomes the International and its employees see soaring real incomes. First year International employees like Bobby Gless earn upwards of $120,000. Compare this to what a first year Fleet service clerk earns (less than $20,000). Bobbys qualifications? None, in fact he could not even define what an Industrial union was under oath! People like Bobby Gless are paid for their loyalty to International officers not their ability to do things for the membership. Sonny Hall was making in excess of $200,000, the increases that he and prior Presidents of the TWU International have seen has outpaced that of the members by a wide margin.
The fact is that the TWU is a business union. Here at AA they are more than willing to sell out the members to increase the amount of members paying dues.
Dues is the only thing the TWU cares about.
In fact if you look at the way our concessions were engineered they were done so in a way that would minimize the loss of dues revenue to the International while maximizing the real cost to members.
The TWU basically cut our compensation by 25% but only saw the total amount of dues per member cut by either 16 or 17.5%.
They did this by eliminating benifits and premiums. When have you ever heard of a union telling their members to give away benifits? Both USAIR and UAL members kept their benifits right through BK. They may lose them now in order to compete with AA.
The pilots took a straight 25% paycut, they already got back over 9%.
We took a total 25% pay cut and will only get back 7%(all of which will be consumed by inflation and increased medical) over the entire term of the contract.
The fact is we all need to get rid of the TWU. We should go to AMFA and you guys should go to the AGW. Then once organized industrywide in these new unions form a strong coalition.
As aafsc points out, fleet service pay is primarily determined by what other FSC workers get, the same with mechanics. During the 2001 contract cycle Mechanics got much bigger increases than Fleet Service or other workers.
Why?
Because of the contract that AMFA negotiated at NWA. During negotiations the negotiating committees of each workgroup sat there with industry figures of what other airlines were paying similar workers. The fact that mechanics got a huge increase did not help the FSCs. The union relied solely on the going market rate. While the mechanics had AMFA pushing the market rate up, the FSC had no such union. Perhaps if they did then they would have seen similar increases.
So, if airline workers wages are to be determined along class lines shouldnt it also follow that in order to maximize their influence over that that airline workers should organize along class lines? Has it hurt the pilots, the flight attendants or the mechanics?
Fleet service workers need the same thing that the pilots, the Flights attendants and some of the mechanics have- unions that believe that they can command a good salary for the work they do. The TWU will never be that union.
The TWU will continue to sacrifice your wages for more members. The introduction of part-timers, a TWU first, is one perfect example of how the TWU puts dues revenue ahead of membership living standards.
Lets say you have 40 hours of work available per week. The TWU can have one full timer FSC and collect around $40 in dues per month in dues. But if they have two part timers they can collect $80 in dues from that same weekly 40 hours. Multiply this by thousands of part timers and the TWU enjoys a huge windfall of dues from the same company. If the part timers were not there much of the work done by part timers would be coverd by OT, which does not put any additional revenue in the unions treasury.
The fact is that we all need change. We will go to AMFA and I hope that all the other workers go to the AGW. We can not fix the TWU, and at this point, even if we did it would not address the realities of this industry. Workers pay is primarily determined along class lines and we would still be all split up between unions organized along corporate lines.
If we stay in the TWU mechanics pay will continue to head towards those paid at third party overhaul facilities and non-union outfits while FSC pay will continue to converge towards minimum wage, to outfits like Triangle, Worldwide, Ogden-all TWU represented.
In the meantime the TWU will continue to grow primarliy at the expense of other unions that fight for their members.
The current structure mates the unions financial interests along with individual companies and not the members or the workforce as a whole. If the company that a particular union is mated with does well then the leaders of the International of that union will do well, even if its individual members pay the price.
AMFA and the AGW today so that we may prosper in the future.
We know which way we are going, and have been going for the last twenty years with the TWU. Its not the economy, deregulation, 9-11, fuel, LCCs or the members-its the unions and the greedy incompetant leaders (Hall=$200,000+, Little=$150,000+, Gless=$120,000+) . WE can not change these things from within. WE must just leave. What do we really have to lose?
Drippy Quill
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MAG= ????$$$$?annually ? Owens = - $28K/yr....HAHAHA!!!
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Bob Owens said:
You = -48k/yr
thanks to your vote and your mouth...HAHAHA!!!
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Drippy Quill said:
Why is it the TWU worshippers pride themselves when someone has a BIG MINUS in front of their yearly earnings?
I thougt union men were in pursuit of higher pay, not lower pay??????? :unsure:
Is this a new union strategy? To get everyone closer to poverty and make them dependent on the Gov't?
Socialist strategy used to include taking over production and overthrow the Capitalist Gov't, now it appears to be lower the wages and become ever dependent on the Capitalist Gov't.
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Did I state I took pride in Booby losing 28k/annually do to his mouth? It's not pride Dave...it's laughing at a guy that believes he walks on water...or I suppose laughing at you, the VP of loco 12....now there's a gut buster..HAHAHA!!!
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NMB said:
Exactly what part of inflating the e-list by AA/TWU/NMB with deceased, retired, or 20 year TWA rif's, has to do with "me,me,me"?
Are you claiming to have first hand knowledge that the investigation was done by means other than which appears in the representation manual? Because I don't read in the manual where employee willingness to advance a profession or make top industry wages is a disqualification issue.
Or are you just incapable of posting intelligent material that makes sense to most readers?
I also suspect that if we knew your real name, you are more out for yourself than any AMFA supporter.
BTW, Last week I spent $120.00 of my personal funds to fill OperAAtion Hero Boxes, that the women in aviation group is sending to Iraq.
How much did a non-me,me,me guy like yourself spend to help out?
:blink: Drippy Quill said:
Well as I told you before much of that $28k would have been from lost time, in other words time lost off my regular 40 hour week from AA. My salary was $9600. The fact is that if I had stayed on the floor and worked OT instead of doing UB I would have made more money than I did. I have no regrets, I did what was right, thats why I can come here and post under my own name and not make attacks while hiding behind an alias, or several aliases like you. You dont see my peers from 562 coming here criticizing me do you? Compare that to that guy Steve Connell, where all sorts of dirt came out on him that came from his peers in MCI.
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Save that "AMFA is not a union" BS for your twu blind believer meetings. AMFA and its supporters dispatched the twu, iam, and ibt from 8 airlines M@R!!!! I don't see a twu, iam, or ibt card drive at any of AMFA represented carriers!!!!! Why????NMB said:
A former NWA iam officer tries to get a card drive going, and even has a web site where his few disfunctional supporters like to cry about their life at the toolbox. The iam attempts at NWA never gets over 500 cards, no one wants the iam back except the few who got proceeds from the sellouts, like letting the DC-10's go to China in 1993.
Your not a ramper or a stock clerk are you NMB? You sound like one. Your post is exacty what the twu has told its scared believers to think about AMFA, I have heard this before. If you are, rid yourself of the parasite twu. You need your own union (AGW, don't know if they have a webpage-Bob?), one that actually will work for you.
Hackman said:
They sure do.
http://www.the-agw.org/
If the other ground workers were to rid themselves of the TWU,and the other AFL-CIO unions and all join together in one accountable, democratic union they would be just as powerful as any other union. Look at how the Longshoremen crippled the economy a while back. The AFL-CIO failed to give them any meanigful support.
The jobs are the same, Longshoremen load and unload ships, Airline ground workers do the same thing with airships. The difference is that the Longshoremen organize as an industry whereas in the airline industry, despite calling themselves industrial unions several non-airline industry specific unions divided up the workers along corporate lines, putting workers in competition with each other instead of collectively working together for the benifit of the entire workforce.
They are not really industrial unions , they are company unions. Leave the company, you leave the union, even if you stay in the same industry.
The sad fact is that under the current structure of unionism in the airline industry everyone except the worker benifits.
The public gets cheap airfares.
The companies get cheap labor.
The unions get members that must pay dues(due to the RLA) but they dont have to do anything for the members and in our case the members cant even hold the International accountable.
The leaders of these corrupt do nothing unions reward themselves with raises and generous pension plans.
So everyone else is happy with the structure that we support with our money.
Dont you think its time to change that?
Even some of the AFL-CIO unions openly admit that todays structure just simply is not working for workers.
Guess what? Its not the members fault either, its the leaders who grant themselves huge salaries with generous benifits that will not allow change to take place because they personally have nothing to gain from it.
