Remember this in 2005? Union leaders bad or good?

[UPNAWAY]

You guys will hate every management it is what labor has told you to believe and your track record proves it.

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

You guys will hate every management it is what labor has told you to believe and your track record proves it.

Most people working here have two eyes, and can think for themselves. They don't let the "big bad union" tell them what to think or what to do. Most people employed at US Airways are smart enough to call BS - just that: BS all on their very own.

Noticed I said most. The others are content being used as pawns, and couldn't come up with an original thought on their very own if their life depended on it, unless of course management or AM radio approves. You know the real independent types.

I never have despised any of our (previous) management teams with the exception of (just call me) "Dave" Siegal.
Very similar to Parker. I didn't always agree with them, but I respected them because they could MANAGE PEOPLE.
These guys in Tempe are nothing but spread sheet jockeys that don't give a flip about the customers or the employees. It's obvious to those paying attention, and paying the tab. Parker is just another Frank Lorenzo with a slightly different rap for 2011. This so-called AWA Boy wonder and management team couldn't manage their way out of a wet paper sack (with a map, a flashlight and a team of lawyers) but they sure can beat the hell out of their customer and employees.

It's obvious you haven't known any different. This is probably the weakest and most divisive management team this airline's history. I personally don't respect either trait. You can think what you want. I have said it before and Ill say it again: The problems at US Airways aren't labor issues - they are management issues. Think about it.

 

[goneflyin]

DL isnt filing bankruptcy anytime soon, compare the PMNW employees to PMDL and the NW still under their cba until the NMB figures it all out, still have better pay, benefits and working conditions than PMDL FAs.

Um.....no. The PMNW F/As will be getting a raise when this NMB stuff is over, and they transition to the PMDL rates.

 

[UPNAWAY]

So your an open minded union loyaltist and I am an management and AM radio koolaide drinker, hummm!

 

[700UW]

Then why do DL FAs pay more for insurance, have worse work rules and ask the PMNW FAs what they got when NW exited BK and its a heck of a lot more than PMDL got and DL is free to give the PMNW FAs a raise like they did to the PMDL FAs, the wage rates in the CBA are minimums.

 

[UPNAWAY]

This is what modern day unions are all about.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/watchdog/ct-met-pensions-villanova-20110902,0,1997273.story

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

So your an open minded union loyaltist and I am an management and AM radio koolaide drinker, hummm!

You said it not me. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.... chances are.... it's a duck.

 

[signals]

and dont forget...unions didnt and couldnt help when we were forced into BK..twice! I pay my union dues each month...The market dictates my pay not a union negotiated contract! One must ask themselves after numerous management folks... styles.... etc what do we have in common since 1989? Not management! Unions are great for somethings and not for others. They dont make a company money ...the employee does... Just interesting reading whether you agree or not.... Doug hasnt changed his management style since he has been here has he? We were doing real well until the latest union fight... Surely no one could argue with those facts? Buisness 101 my friends..seriously in the end thats what it all comes down too... Like it or not! Glad to hear you are happy with the major bucks you are earning 700....Glad your union could get you what you wanted!

So why does it work for WN?

 

[signals]

Heritage Foundation Study

“Unions function as labor cartels. A labor cartel restricts the number of workers in a company or industry to drive up the remaining workers’ wages….. Companies pass on those higher wages to consumers through higher prices, and often they also earn lower profits. Economic research finds that unions benefit their members but hurt consumers generally, and especially workers who are denied job opportunities.
The average union member earns more than the average non-union worker. However, that does not mean that expanding union membership will raise wages: Few workers who join a union today get a pay raise. ….The economy has become more competitive over the past generation. Companies have less power to pass price increases on to consumers without going out of business. Consequently, unions do not negotiate higher wages for many newly organized workers. These days, unions win higher wages for employees only at companies with competitive advantages that allow them to pay higher wages, such as successful research and development (R&D😉 projects or capital investments.
Unions effectively tax these investments by negotiating higher wages for their members, thus lowering profits. Unionized companies respond to this union tax by reducing investment. Less investment makes unionized companies less competitive.
Economists consistently find that unions decrease the number of jobs available in the economy. The vast majority of manufacturing jobs lost over the past three decades have been among union members–non-union manufacturing employment has risen. Research also shows that widespread unionization delays recovery from economic downturns.
Some unions win higher wages for their members, though many do not. But with these higher wages, unions bring less investment, fewer jobs, higher prices, and smaller 401(k) plans for everyone else.
Economic theory consequently suggests that unions raise the wages of their members at the cost of lower profits and fewer jobs, that lower profits cause businesses to invest less, and that unions have a smaller effect in competitive markets (where a union cannot obtain a monopoly).
…..union contracts compress wages: They suppress the wages of more productive workers and raise the wages of the less competent. Unions redistribute wealth between workers. Everyone gets the same seniority-based raise regardless of how much or little he contributes, and this reduces wage inequality in unionized companies… But this increased equality comes at a cost to employers. Often, the best workers will not work under union contracts that put a cap on their wages, so union firms have difficulty attracting and retaining top employees.
Studies typically find that unionized companies earn profits between 10 percent and 15 percent lower than those of comparable non-union firms.”
Much more can be read in this study. If you truly want to know the costs, ALL THE COSTS, that are associated with unions read the article. It talks about how unions have cost GM and the US.

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“Final union contracts typically give workers group identities instead of treating them as individuals. Unions do not have the resources to monitor each worker’s performance and tailor the contract accordingly. Even if they could, they would not want to do so. Unions want employees to view the union–not their individual achievements–as the source of their economic gains. As a result, union contracts typically base pay and promotions on seniority or detailed union job classifications. Unions rarely allow employers to base pay on individual performance or promote workers on the basis of individual ability.”

I have paid union dues 25 years ......I have every right to have opinion...agree with me or not.... I am a college graduate and majored in buisness.... No where in Buisness 101 on how to make money does unions play a role...... Hard working employees yes...Union mgt...NO! Do you see unions organizing at companies where there are no profits? Why is that? Unions organize where they see dollar signs....

There is no fact to your opinion. Management would love to start an employee at $8/hr. or less and use them as low wage mules for their entire employment history. You will miss unions, because being in a world market, your job can be outsourced for cheaper labor either foreign or domestic.

You sound like a 25 year union employee who decided to brown nose your way to the top. I have seen too many union toilet papers that will stroke management for their own agenda. Mirror, mirror 🙄

 

[signals]

You need to re read the post you claim to understand. Most union factories left and went oversees... I see few humans period left in US factories. Thanks for making my point. Why do unions only organize at proitable companies? Whats the motive? If unions are concerned about workers why not organize at all companies? Unions love money and power.. Money doesnt mean profit in all instances.....Think about it and dont feel bad when the light bulb pops on lol 🙂 Have a good one! Please hit ignore!

Many factories went overseas because the greener wieners of the time claimed that they were poisoning the environment and polluting the air. Regulations got so tough it was profitable to go overseas. Now you will soon earn the low wages of the third world countries where your environmentalists sent the high paying jobs.

You are probably to young to live real history and are doomed to repeat mistakes.

 

[UPNAWAY]

There is no fact to your opinion. Management would love to start an employee at $8/hr. or less and use them as low wage mules for their entire employment history.

Most people should not be rampers for life or most any other entry level or low skill jobs. You should strive to improve yourself and grow and develope. Something unions completely discourage.

 

[700UW]

This is what modern day unions are all about.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/watchdog/ct-met-pensions-villanova-20110902,0,1997273.story

Gee Wolf and Rakesh left with millions.

As it was careening into financial ruin and ultimately Chapter 11 bankruptcy, US Airways paid $35 million in lump-sum retirement benefits to its former top three executives.


Top to bottom: Stephen Wolf got $15 million; Rakesh Gangwal got $15 million and Lawrence Nagin got $5 million. (Post-Gazette)

Stephen Wolf, who ran the airline for seven years and now serves as chairman of the board, received $15 million. Wolf is no longer employed by the carrier. His protege, Rakesh Gangwal, who resigned as president and CEO in November 2001, also received $15 million, and Lawrence Nagin, the airline's longtime executive vice president and general counsel who retired last March, received $5 million.

Siegel walked away with $6 million.

Enron, Madoff, Rivas, Adelphia, WorldComm, shall I go on?

Jack Welch, GE, check his retirement out.

In the final full year with the company, Welch earned more than $16 million. The retirement agreement provides him with an annual pension of more than $9 million a year and a health and life insurances. As a consultant to the company, he is paid $86,535 for his first 30 days of work each year, plus $17,307 for each additional day. GE provides him with financial planning services to manage his fortune, which is estimated at nearly $1 billion.

Gee that looks a little better than the one you posted up, lol!

 

[UPNAWAY]

700 the difference is a CEO or corpoaration is just looking out for themselves just as unions do but they don't claim some BS moral high ground about helping the masses. Your so far brainwashed by this union crap you can't see reality right in your face. Unions have killed jobs way more then they have saved. They have helped created a ruiling elite in Washinton bent on srewing us all. What do you have to show for your dues? I'll tell ya, nothing. Biggest waste of money ever! I'd be bitter too if I had bought into this job for life with ever growing benefits while the union negotiated jobs and benefits away to protect themselves above all else. You really should know who your enemy is.

 

[UPNAWAY]

I still don’t understand the concept of how an organization that pays you and provides for your livelihood is the enemy and one that takes form you and then works diametrical opposed to your benefit is somehow your protector?



I am sure we ill never agree but I hope you have a nice weekend.

 

[signals]

Most people should not be rampers for life or most any other entry level or low skill jobs. You should strive to improve yourself and grow and develope. Something unions completely discourage.

So basically it takes a scholar to be a ramper? Some people are white collared, others are blue. Unions don't discourage people from getting ahead, it's just that some lack the skills required for a job.