Rumored Midatlantic "deal"

[Furloughedagain]

Got this from another board -- don't know if its 100% true. IF it is, then I am truly disgusted. ALPA has obviously been walked all over by the teamsters.

You should be ashamed.

an MDA pilot told me that to go to CHQ they were offered jobs.

1. 2 week indoc.
2. 2 sim sessions, 3rd sim checkride
3. $15,000 two year training contract. No pro-rated schedule.
4. Give up recall to AWA/USAirways
5. 30 days no medical insurance
6. Capt $50 range, F/O $21-$23 range

$5000 for each sim session????

The CEO pleaded to the MDA group to help proving runs and to expedite the certificate process. He said something else about experience in the plane to help keep insurance costs down.

He said there was not much interest. Wonder why.

 

[Crzipilot]

Furloughed,

Yup I believe that's the basics of the offer they were given on the 1st. and we told to have a decision by the 5th. Though I'm not sure if the no recall to AWA/US was in there. I believe it was also, double up on hotel rooms for training, no per diem while in training (not sure if they were being offered training pay etc) From talking to some of the MDA crews in DC, I believe pretty much they have collectively told them to go stick it.
I talked to a CHQ capt. and he said they were getting 2 170's a month for UAL or Delta, forget which. And that the quality of new hires they were getting he was basically flying single pilot most days. So here you have CHQ paying hundreds of thousands each month to AA, they can't get republic's certificate off the ground, they buy up shuttle america to place the 170's on, and then give a bs offer to the MDA pilots. Alpa's stance.......bad company bad company we are going to say something mean about you now.

 

[robbedagain]

that is a bad deal. good luck to all MDA pilots and crews. hope the F/As get a better deal. the EMB-170s are also going to fly united out of DEN when they get them from the factory

 

[exB717Flyer]

ALPA has obviously been walked all over by the teamsters.

What makes you think the Teamsters had anything to do with it?

 

[jimntx]

A serious question...
If MDA pilots and flight attendants don't want to take the CHQ offer--and who would?--is their other choice to be furloughed from the new company, or assuming DOH merger, can they bump others with less seniority?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Just one of the many questions to be answered, Jim. At least for the integration of the pilots, it'll depend on what the negotiations/arbitrator yield, though I can't see the AWA pilots willingly going along with a furloughed US pilot (assuming that's the status of those who don't go with the 170's) returning just to furlough an AWA pilot. Presumably the furloughed US pilots would come back as vacancies occured (attrition or growth) and take their place on the combined list - whatever that place ends up being.

Jim

 

[WSurf]

FUBAR!

 

[Mtnman928]

A serious question...
If MDA pilots and flight attendants don't want to take the CHQ offer--and who would?--is their other choice to be furloughed from the new company, or assuming DOH merger, can they bump others with less seniority?

[post="280468"][/post]​

That's an easy one to answer. Just go to the Emery-Riddle campus and ask them. That goes for any of the other "Flight Schools" where students have plopped down over 100 Grand for that covetted flying job.

Mtnman

 

[CHQDRVR]

Got this from another board -- don't know if its 100% true. IF it is, then I am truly disgusted. ALPA has obviously been walked all over by the teamsters.

You should be ashamed.

an MDA pilot told me that to go to CHQ they were offered jobs.

1. 2 week indoc.
2. 2 sim sessions, 3rd sim checkride
3. $15,000 two year training contract. No pro-rated schedule.
4. Give up recall to AWA/USAirways
5. 30 days no medical insurance
6. Capt $50 range, F/O $21-$23 range

$5000 for each sim session????

The CEO pleaded to the MDA group to help proving runs and to expedite the certificate process. He said something else about experience in the plane to help keep insurance costs down.

He said there was not much interest. Wonder why.

[post="280435"][/post]​

FA:

I've already replied to this on another board, maybe you should do some research before you bash. The facts are bad enough without the added BS.

Being a former CHQ'er, you know damn well that the pilot group has nothing to do with the insurance, training contract, etc. I was more than a little surprised to see BB (or WH more likely) pulling the training contract scam for guys that are current and qualified in the airplane. Previously the training contract was waived for those above a certain experience level, although I understand this is no longer the case. Don't know why. I also think that guys bridging over from MAA should have the 30 day wait for insurance waived. You know precisely what my opinion is worth to BB or WH.

CHQ has never required furloughed pilots to waive their recall rights. Approximately half my intial class was furloughed mainliners from TW/AA, UA, and US as a result.

Payscales are absolutely false. Per our ALREADY IN PLACE J4J protocol, captains come in at first year pay (which is crappy, but NOT 50 per hour), FOs at the top of the scale (34/hour). BTW our captain rates on the 170 are within a dollar, better or worse depending on the longevity, of MAAs.

Did your "source" mention ALPA's generous offer of integration with our lowly band of Teamsters? They met with our MEC and demanded DOH integration (that was original US or wholly-owned DOH, not MAA) with our entire list, PLUS super-seniority within the Airways 170 bases. When we told them we would be willing to explore other options, but not slit our own throats, we were politely told to pound sand. I don't feel at all guilty for not immediately grabbing my ankles for that great offer, especially since the J4J protocol already exists.

P.S. If I remember right, your CHQ days were back in the J-ball. If so, you already know why our group is not ALPA today. Guess ALPA reaps what it sows.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Today MDA's chief pilot sent a message to the EMB-170 pilots that said, "The training contract has been reduced to 1 year/$7500 and total relief for recall to US Airways within the year. You may continue your SSO benefits for 30 days until eligible for the Republic provider. We are diligently working through the seniority issues and will provide updated information when available. Stay tuned."

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[TBONEJ4J]

Today MDA's chief pilot sent a message to the EMB-170 pilots that said, "The training contract has been reduced to 1 year/$7500 and total relief for recall to US Airways within the year. You may continue your SSO benefits for 30 days until eligible for the Republic provider. We are diligently working through the seniority issues and will provide updated information when available. Stay tuned."

Regards,

USA320Pilot

[post="280647"][/post]​

LOA 91 spells out how the Transfer of Control of MDA will happen.

It says nothing about a Training Contract. 😛h34r:

 

[USA320Pilot]

Tbonej4j:

You're right. I believe ALPA has a very strong argument that the company violated LOA 91, which is why a grievance was filed and should be won by the Association.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[BottomFeeder]

Tbonej4j:

You're right. I believe ALPA has a very strong argument that the company violated LOA 91, which is why a grievance was filed and should be won by the Association.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

[post="280675"][/post]​

320,

No disrespect but

The grievance process is a delay tactic and a joke at the very best.

What is stopping ALPA from going to court? The way the IAM did with the outsourcing. Why does ALPA continue to speak loudly and wave a limp noodle. Many of the ALPA members would like to see the soft spoken approach and then hit them with the biggest stick we can find.

It is time to stop the abuse. An injunction would refreshing start.

 

[pitguy74]

Limp noodle? We all hate limp noodles.

Rumor has it that the flight attendants have the equivalent of a non stick frying pan up their sleeve 🙂~

 

[Light Years]

Limp noodle? We all hate limp noodles.

Rumor has it that the flight attendants have the equivalent of a non stick frying pan up their sleeve 🙂~

[post="280687"][/post]​

Looks like the company just saw thier reflection in that pan... in the form of 28 parked E170s as they are talking about offering "incentives" to the E170 F/As, monetary and otherwise... see post "MAA/Republic F/A Update."